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Post by mugwump on Dec 11, 2011 8:47:22 GMT -5
Episodes 22 to 24 . . . . . . EunGo's uncle got beheaded, but did they ever say what happened to the slimeball noble and the others who were arrested? Way to turn the situation to your advantage, Uija. He knows how to use the old "I'll force the woman I love (but who does not love me) into marrying me by making her an offer she can't refuse" trick. Too bad he hasn't yet learned the rule about being nice to the wife he already has. Hell hath no fury like a Crown Princess/Queen scorned. It really is too bad the writers dumped Ga Ui (the village girl). They were setting her relationship with GyeBaek up very nicely. Did the real GyeBaek conquer that many Shilla cities so quickly, or is this all made up to advance the story (seems impossible to even move an army to so many places so quickly)? In GQS, I don't remember there being such a long losing streak. Of course, GQS was mostly fiction too, and the time frame here may be later as well. GyeBaek finally showed some guts by telling Uija to his face that he despises him. I really enjoyed their conversation. So many people with so many axes to grind on so many levels. Why was this show not more popular?
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Post by truth on Dec 11, 2011 11:10:50 GMT -5
Episodes 22 to 24 . . . . . . EunGo's uncle got beheaded, but did they ever say what happened to the slimeball noble and the others who were arrested? Way to turn the situation to your advantage, Uija. He knows how to use the old "I'll force the woman I love (but who does not love me) into marrying me by making her an offer she can't refuse" trick. Too bad he hasn't yet learned the rule about being nice to the wife he already has. Hell hath no fury like a Crown Princess/Queen scorned. It really is too bad the writers dumped Ga Ui (the village girl). They were setting her relationship with GyeBaek up very nicely. Did the real GyeBaek conquer that many Shilla cities so quickly, or is this all made up to advance the story (seems impossible to even move an army to so many places so quickly)? In GQS, I don't remember there being such a long losing streak. Of course, GQS was mostly fiction too, and the time frame here may be later as well. GyeBaek finally showed some guts by telling Uija to his face that he despises him. I really enjoyed their conversation. So many people with so many axes to grind on so many levels. Why was this show not more popular? Historical records mostly credit Uija, Eun Sang, Ui Jik, Yoon Choong for taking over all the Shilla cities. The only part about Gyebaek is the Battle of Hwangsanbul.
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Post by truth on Dec 11, 2011 11:11:10 GMT -5
Episodes 22 to 24 . . . . . . EunGo's uncle got beheaded, but did they ever say what happened to the slimeball noble and the others who were arrested? Way to turn the situation to your advantage, Uija. He knows how to use the old "I'll force the woman I love (but who does not love me) into marrying me by making her an offer she can't refuse" trick. Too bad he hasn't yet learned the rule about being nice to the wife he already has. Hell hath no fury like a Crown Princess/Queen scorned. It really is too bad the writers dumped Ga Ui (the village girl). They were setting her relationship with GyeBaek up very nicely. Did the real GyeBaek conquer that many Shilla cities so quickly, or is this all made up to advance the story (seems impossible to even move an army to so many places so quickly)? In GQS, I don't remember there being such a long losing streak. Of course, GQS was mostly fiction too, and the time frame here may be later as well. GyeBaek finally showed some guts by telling Uija to his face that he despises him. I really enjoyed their conversation. So many people with so many axes to grind on so many levels. Why was this show not more popular? Historical records mostly credit Uija, Eun Sang, Ui Jik, Yoon Choong for taking over all the Shilla cities. The only part about Gyebaek is the Battle of Hwangsanbul.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 14, 2011 4:17:09 GMT -5
Episodes 22 to 24 . . . . . . EunGo's uncle got beheaded, but did they ever say what happened to the slimeball noble and the others who were arrested? Way to turn the situation to your advantage, Uija. He knows how to use the old "I'll force the woman I love (but who does not love me) into marrying me by making her an offer she can't refuse" trick. Too bad he hasn't yet learned the rule about being nice to the wife he already has. Hell hath no fury like a Crown Princess/Queen scorned. It really is too bad the writers dumped Ga Ui (the village girl). They were setting her relationship with GyeBaek up very nicely. Did the real GyeBaek conquer that many Shilla cities so quickly, or is this all made up to advance the story (seems impossible to even move an army to so many places so quickly)? In GQS, I don't remember there being such a long losing streak. Of course, GQS was mostly fiction too, and the time frame here may be later as well. GyeBaek finally showed some guts by telling Uija to his face that he despises him. I really enjoyed their conversation. So many people with so many axes to grind on so many levels. Why was this show not more popular? ARRRGGGGHHH....I think that I watched out of order..."I spoilered myself"... Back to #22... EDIT... This show makes a lot more sense when you watch episode 23 B4 episode 24...
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Post by Ducky on Dec 17, 2011 3:02:15 GMT -5
Episodes 22 to 24 . . . . . . It really is too bad the writers dumped Ga Ui (the village girl). They were setting her relationship with GyeBaek up very nicely. What happened to Ga UI? In episode 22 Gyebaek promised to make her wish come true... And she was still around in #24, playing w/ the children... Did i miss something after the 7 year jump?
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Post by truth on Dec 17, 2011 12:08:29 GMT -5
Episodes 22 to 24 . . . . . . It really is too bad the writers dumped Ga Ui (the village girl). They were setting her relationship with GyeBaek up very nicely. What happened to Ga UI? In episode 22 Gyebaek promised to make her wish come true... And she was still around in #24, playing w/ the children... Did i miss something after the 7 year jump? You didn't miss anything. She just disappeared without mention.
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Post by mugwump on Mar 17, 2012 7:37:53 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think the rest of this show is never going to get subbed. Before I forget completely what this show was about, could someone fill me in on the last few episodes? I watched them unsubbed, but don't really understand what was going on. Last episode think I saw subbed was Episode 30 where Uija woke up, revenge was had all around, and GyeBaek chose to return to the frontier. So somehow Gyebaek got into trouble again with Uija and he was going to kill him but Warrior Girl took the hit? Gyebaek marries Warrior Girl and lives happily ever after for 12 years? Gyebaek gets called back into service why? Eungo kills Cool-Headed Buddy why? EunoGo gets imprisoned for what? How does political situation deteriorate with Shilla leading to war? How is the whole "kill the wife and kids" incident explained? If anyone remembers what happened (or cares) please fill me in.
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Post by sageuk on Mar 17, 2012 12:58:35 GMT -5
Sounds like there's convoluted or bad writing all over the place
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Post by truth on Mar 17, 2012 15:04:38 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think the rest of this show is never going to get subbed. Before I forget completely what this show was about, could someone fill me in on the last few episodes? I watched them unsubbed, but don't really understand what was going on. Last episode think I saw subbed was Episode 30 where Uija woke up, revenge was had all around, and GyeBaek chose to return to the frontier. So somehow Gyebaek got into trouble again with Uija and he was going to kill him but Warrior Girl took the hit? Gyebaek marries Warrior Girl and lives happily ever after for 12 years? Gyebaek gets called back into service why? Eungo kills Cool-Headed Buddy why? EunoGo gets imprisoned for what? How does political situation deteriorate with Shilla leading to war? How is the whole "kill the wife and kids" incident explained? If anyone remembers what happened (or cares) please fill me in. Gyebaek gets called back into service because Uija needed him. Eungo killed that guy because she was secretly helping Kim Choon Chu. She got imprisoned because Uija found out. Uija basically told Shilla and Tang to go F yourself so that led to war. The wife told Gyebaek to kill her and her children.
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Post by hapha on Mar 20, 2012 18:35:26 GMT -5
i hated that EunGo's sidekick girl (Gyebaek's wife) since she was young. annoying. her role doesn't seem to fit her either.
among the MBC period dramas, i say Gyebaek is one of those dramas that would likely fall at the end of my list. i enjoyed watching the Opening/Ending Credits though. hihi
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Post by mugwump on Apr 17, 2012 19:15:07 GMT -5
The wrap-up…..
This show started out with promise. Great production values, music, and intelligent writing. I think a major problem with low ratings in the early episodes is that they tried to make it too much like Great Queen Seonduk. If they were banking on people tuning in every week to watch Sa Taek the way viewers tuned in to watch Mishil, they were sadly mistaken.
They gave us a pretty good story up through Episode 18 with interesting characters. But then what happened? They had all those years to fill, with no information about the real Gyebaek to fill it up with. So they went with palace intrigue - king versus ministers, wife against wife. And Gyebaek was just a pawn in the power games. His character became less and less interesting as the show went on.
This show might have been better called “The Fall of the House of BuYeo”. More than any other historical drama I’ve watched, this had the elements of a Greek tragedy. I found both Uija and Eungo to be totally fascinating. They were both damaged people who developed their skills at deception and manipulation at an early age. They each gave up their humanity in the pursuit of power. They really did deserve one another. By the time they realized what they had wrought, it was too late. Gyebaek paled by comparison.
This really was a very dark drama, which may be another reason it had such a small following.
I thought the music in this one was outstanding. The composer got a lot of mileage out of variations on the major theme. Some of it was playful, some rousing, and a lot was downright creepy. I didn’t find any of it to be manipulative or over the top (well, except for a little sappiness).
I loved HeungSu and Chungsung. They played off each other so well, their scenes together were a treat to watch.
I liked the casting of Kim Chun Chuu; he reminded me of a fox. Kim Yushin, on the other hand was kind of bland.
I usually find the comic relief characters in these shows to be an unnecessary distraction, but I actually like this guy (Do-something, can never remember the names). I think it was his way of speaking, the inflection and sounds, had a nifty rhythm to them.
Do Young – just never warmed up to her. Which brings me to how they handled the ending. Given that about the only thing we know about the real Gyebaek is that he killed his wife and kids before going into his final battle, you would think the writers would have developed his character in such a way that when we finally got to that scene, his actions would have been totally understandable in light of his character. But instead, they let him off the hook and made it all his wife’s idea. And I didn’t get the logic there at all.
I wonder how they would have handled that scene if Gyebaek had married the flower girl instead? We will never know. She and Gyebaek had great chemistry, would have been a better match.
Gyebaek’s death scene, I think, would also have been better if the flower girl had become his wife. There would have been a nice sense of coming full circle if his last vision was of her bending over him with flowers in her hair (and him then grinning), like happened in the episode where they first met. And we would have remembered the very first scene in the show where he was sitting before the battle contemplating a flower.
The first episode had one of the best opening sequences I’ve seen, starting so peacefully then becoming more and more martial with exquisite background music. . . . .
OK, time for some silliness---
The Vogue Award goes to King Mu. This man does not just sit on his throne, he poses; usually showing off his profile.
Gratuitous “Oh no! The baby’s not breathing and I don’t know CPR!” scene.
Gollum Look-Alike award goes to GyeBaek for his emaciated wild look when he was a prisoner in the Shilla army.
Mommy Dearest Award goes to Queen Seonhwa for committing suicide in front of her son.
Mishil Wanna-Be Award goes to Evil Queen. As if. Eungo made a much better Mishil, probably because we got to see her transformation.
The magical moving stones. Maybe they’re related to the Magical Mystical Levitating Egg in GQS.
Tastefully performed Blood Brother Ritual with terrific music.
Sacrificial Lamb Award - goes to Mu Jin. What a Hunk.
“I’m the Most Gullible Fella” Award goes to Gyo Gi. How stupid can one get?
Most unnecessary character – Do Young. For the first half of the series she was a mostly annoying whining comic relief. Second half the writers started treating her like a real person. Presumable she and Gyebaek were happily married until their rendezvous with destiny,
The Bun in the Oven Award goes to Tae Heon. This is analogous to the Magical Hat of Invisibility Award. Men think that if they wear a big enough hat, no one will notice them. Tae Heon apparently thought that if she walked around the temple holding her hands over her stomach, no one would notice she was pregnant.
The Gwanggaeto Eyeliner Award goes to Evil Queen.
Why must the men always have their hair falling over their eyes? How can they see to do battle?
The Candy and Flowers Award goes to Uija for his total disregard for Wife #1. These guys never learn, do they? Rule #1 in the Manual for Kings-in-the-Making should be “Be nice to your Queen.” Even if you love someone else, be nice to your Queen. Then be nice to your Queen some more. Then when you want to marry the woman you really love, maybe she’ll be nice to you and go along with it. Otherwise she can make life really, really miserable for you.
Disappearing Act – Flower Girl, GyeBaek’s brother.
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Post by sageuk on Apr 17, 2012 20:55:26 GMT -5
I find it funny that the comedy film, Hwangsanbul or Once Upon a time in a battlefield, did more justice to the Gyebaek story moreso than this drama
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Post by truth on Apr 17, 2012 21:53:22 GMT -5
I can't wait to see The Dream of The Great King's version of King Mu and King Uija. I always liked Choi Chul Ho's acting, so I think he'll do better job as Uija than the MBC Uija.
Personally, my favorite King Mu was SBS Seo Dong Yo's King Mu, where King Mu is the main character.
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Post by MTR on Apr 18, 2012 14:26:23 GMT -5
I agree with Sageuk Hwangsanbul is a great film ,I love the scene where Gyebaek's wife just blasts him as being a monster prior to killing his wife and kids .
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Post by truth on Apr 18, 2012 14:49:47 GMT -5
I agree with Sageuk Hwangsanbul is a great film ,I love the scene where Gyebaek's wife just blasts him as being a monster prior to killing his wife and kids . The whole film was comedy including the death scene of wife and kids. Every Baekjae people spoke with a Jeolla dialect and every Shillans spoke with a Kyungsang dialect in the movie, which makes things hilarious for people who speak a standard Korean(Seoul dialect). The other dialects just sound too funny for standard Korean speakers, so I just couldn't stop laughing throughout the film. Even serious scenes were funny due to the dialects.
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