Nalbal
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Post by Nalbal on Aug 14, 2007 10:34:34 GMT -5
......But I bet they're both sore in the morning. How about that guy with the bare chest that Xue was fighting beforehand? It looked like Xue was "spanking" the guy's chest with his wooden "sword"! I swear I could hear it slapping, lol! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by zorro on Sept 5, 2007 8:35:26 GMT -5
I hope we get to see his "final roar" he mentioned to DJS. He says he wants to go out quietly, but I want to see him go out with a bang.
And why is he "retired" when Dae Jung Sang is still beating up on the younger Tang soldiers? I thought they were supposed to be the same age or about.
Xue had the right idea about returning to Tang with Zhao, but now Li Kaigu's become a rogue puppet for Shin Hong's instigations again. I thought he was smarter than that, but then I suppose where would the drama come from??
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Post by pip on Sept 5, 2007 10:48:53 GMT -5
Xue had the right idea about returning to Tang with Zhao, but now Li Kaigu's become a rogue puppet for Shin Hong's instigations again. I thought he was smarter than that, but then I suppose where would the drama come from?? I was thinking about Li Kaigu in a similar way. Why, I wondered, is he a great warrior and tactician in Tang and on the Western Front, but such a doofus at home? I'm not saying this is the answer to that question, but it's the best I can come up with: When Kaigu is at home, he is surrounded by his family, his tribe and - - in this case - - his rival, DJY. He seems to need recognition as the one in charge. His pride causes him to act on Shin Hong's bad advice. Also, as you say, Zorrro, it gives us drama, too. Does anyone know anything about the actor who plays Shin Hong? I know he's supposed to look older, now, but he looks downright unwell. Is this just terrific acting/makeup, or did the actor have health problems?
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Post by ajk on Sept 5, 2007 13:13:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with that. The whole plot twist at the end of #86 just didn't sit well. Kaigu is desperate to get home because he's so concerned about the Khan, his wife and his kid. But as soon as he gets there he tells them all to go stuff it and he's taking over, just because Shin butters him up over a few drinks? No question that just the thought of DJY messes with his head, but even so, for him to suddenly start overruling his Khan? Even if the point is to create some drama, It's just too unlike him.
And he decapitates Zhao without even considering the alternatives (where was Shin for that)? I guess he really wants to be the head man! (rim shot)
One thing about #86 that I did enjoy, though, was the assault on the Yingzhou gate. The way those front guys literally ran up the side of the wall using the leveraged poles, that was very impressive. Haven't seen that before in this series and I'm almost positive it was never in IYSS either. Does anybody know if that was a common tactic in those days, or is it something just made up for the scene? Either way, big credit to those stunt guys.
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Post by pip on Sept 5, 2007 14:19:30 GMT -5
AJK, I agree with you that this Kaigu plot twist seems completely out of character. That's why I was trying to figure out the whys and wherefores. I'm not saying my theory is correct; it's only the best I could come up with. I, too, was astonished to see Kaigu overrule the Khan. Jut imagine how green Kaigu will turn when he sees how "his" son looks up to DJY! As for the decapitation, my guess was that Shin Hong suggested it. Kaigu is back to the point where he makes no move without Hong's direction. Loved the "head man" joke! During the assault on the Yingzhou gate, I was literally cheering to see those in the front lines scale the walls with the poles. That has to be one of the neatest things I ever saw. I watched this episode with a friend who started LOL because of the frequency with which the words, "What, Dae Joyoung Are you sure??" were heard. My personal observation is that this episode has to set some kind of record for the number of times "Chongoon! Chongoon!" was said.
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Post by zorro on Sept 5, 2007 22:13:11 GMT -5
ajk, when I saw the guys running up the wall, my jaw dropped. Even at the end when they reran it as a closer, it still looked unbelievable. Whoever came up with that trick historical or dramatic gets a big thumbs up. It's a far cry better than watching Batman and Robin walking up a wall with a slack rope. Pip, Shin Hong is cast in "Lucifer" as a detective, and looks perfectly healthy, so this is make-up IMO.
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Nalbal
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Post by Nalbal on Sept 6, 2007 18:35:06 GMT -5
It's makeup, pip. "Shin Hong" was in "The Hwarang Fighters", a kid's tv show that aired on the weekends. He played the father of one of the boys, and he looked fine to me. Amazing...such a weasel like Hong playing a father in another show? Never would have believed it.
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Post by pip on Sept 19, 2007 11:18:09 GMT -5
Nalbal, thank you for telling me about Shin Hong. I would like to see that actor play some kid's dad - - it would be such a change!
As of episode #90, I would say that the X-Man is back in form and just as great a villain as ever. He is, arguably, the most entertaining character on the whole show. Loved his tactic with the tree branches (episode 90).
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Post by vickieh on Sept 19, 2007 16:45:04 GMT -5
I think that the X-Man is back in form as you say. He didn't need to retire like he thought he was.
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