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Post by excelsior on Feb 14, 2015 14:27:31 GMT -5
Just skimmed through episode one. It used to be that MBC created the more visually impressive dramas. But I say without hesitation that KBS has surpassed them with this drama.
And from what I have seen, I wouldn't call the new Hideoshi better than the old one yet. Maybe it's because I find the actor playing the new Hideoshi irritating. He plays the same guy in every role.
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Post by truth on Feb 14, 2015 14:36:50 GMT -5
Lee Gwang Gi(Ha Ryun in KBS Jeong Dojeon) has been cast as Konishi Yukinaga. A young Konishi is good , one of the things that is often overlooked is all these Samurai generals were for the most part young guys in their early 20's . That was one of the reasons it turned into an invasion instead of a nice trot all the way to Ming , without Hideyoshi breathing down their necks they were jealous of each other and bungled the whole game plan by competing against each other . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konishi_YukinagaYou sure they were in their early 20s? Konishi was born in 1555, which means he was 37 when the Imjin War started. Lee Gwang Gi is 46, so I don't think he is that far off. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kat%C5%8D_KiyomasaKato was born in 1561, which means he was 31 when the Imjin War started. Lee Jeong Yong is also 46, so he's far off but wasn't far off in IYSS when he was 35. Just skimmed through episode one. It used to be that MBC created the more visually impressive dramas. But I say without hesitation that KBS has surpassed them with this drama. And from what I have seen, I wouldn't call the new Hideoshi better than the old one yet. Maybe it's because I find the actor playing the new Hideoshi irritating. He plays the same guy in every role. I would say surpassing with Jeong Dojeon would be more correct. As for the historical aspect, KBS has always been better than all the other TV stations. The reason I consider Kim Gyu Cheol as the better Hideyoshi is because... 1. His two front teeth. That's exactly how Hideyoshi looked like. 2. The way he quickly figures out how Tachibana Yasuhiro acted in Korea when he sent him as a messenger as if he had seen everything through his eyes. Cunning just as how real Hideyoshi would've been. Hideyoshi of IYSS was more like Oda Nobunaga. Also, Kim Gyu Cheol does not play a same guy in every role. You can't say Cheonsu, who was a good buddy of YSS, turning into a money hungry traitor is the same as Emperor Heejong in Age of Warriors who was a powerless monarch.
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Post by excelsior on Feb 14, 2015 19:47:45 GMT -5
I meant his mannerisms. He always has that snake-ish stare and body language in every film.
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Post by sageuk on Feb 14, 2015 23:03:44 GMT -5
Thatt looks heavy. MTR must be happy they got the helm for Kato's helm this time. IYSS opening is still best opening. And some of the CG doesn't look that well rendered (the green screen behind the Joseon archers is pretty bad). The theme grown on me but I still stand by what I first said.
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Post by truth on Feb 15, 2015 15:02:44 GMT -5
Just watched Episode 2 and I still stand by my opinion that Kim Gyu Cheol's Hideyoshi is better than IYYS's Hideyoshi. He is 10 times closer to the real Hideyoshi than IYSS's Hideyoshi. It is weird to see IYSS's King Seonjo being downgraded to a low ranking government official. King Gong Yang from Jeong Dojeon is playing his best friend lol. Shim Hyoseng from Jeong Dojeon is back as a Japanese priest Genso. Jeong Taewoo(Geom in Dae Jo Young)'s fictional character Lee Cheoli is like the Nalbal of this drama. Imagine Nalbal except he works for Ryu Seong Ryong rather than YSS. Overall, I have to say Episode 2 was even better than Episode 1. Can't wait for ajk to write an episode summary so we can talk about the show together. Thatt looks heavy. MTR must be happy they got the helm for Kato's helm this time. Well, they are being sponsored by NHK. And judging by Hideyoshi's portrayal in today's episode, I'm assuming that NHK helpd KBS out with Hideyoshi's personality. Also judging by what I've seen on Episode 2, it looks like they're going to cover a significant amount of Japanese history as well(mostly involving Hideyoshi of course), so I'm looking forward to that in the upcoming episodes.
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Post by sageuk on Feb 16, 2015 8:48:37 GMT -5
I just watched some of Jingbirok unsubbed, and yeah, I'm with truth in regards to Hideyoshi. If anything, that snake-ish stare fits Hideyoshi from what I've read.
It's true that Kim Gyu-cheol plays a lot of sleaze balls, and I'm going to admit I don't really care much for it, despite the fact he does it well. Maybe its because he's playing a major figure in history, but something about it here doesn't bother me at all.
For those who complained about the flat portrayal of the Japanese in IYSS, you won't be disappointed. There's more roundness for some of the individual Japanese, such as some of them being genuinely terrified of Hideyoshi (though I think IYSS did that, but they still came across as warrior stereotypes).
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Post by MTR on Feb 17, 2015 13:22:08 GMT -5
As this is also going to air in Japan and will be so much better than NHK's current year long Historical Hana Moyu, it makes sense that NHK are lending a helping hand .
Hideyoshi was a great general but a horrible ruler, he was vain ,paranoid, corrupt and a sleaze so the actor is perfect for this role . Hideyoshi made his nephew regent, than when his child Hideyori was born the nephew and all his children, concubines, household staff were executed . In a bit of irony its doubtful Hideyori was actually his child, the real father was probably Lady Yodo's long time paramour Ono Harunaga .
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Post by truth on Feb 17, 2015 14:12:39 GMT -5
As this is also going to air in Japan and will be so much better than NHK's current year long Historical Hana Moyu, it makes sense that NHK are lending a helping hand . Hideyoshi was a great general but a horrible ruler, he was vain ,paranoid, corrupt and a sleaze so the actor is perfect for this role . Hideyoshi made his nephew regent, than when his child Hideyori was born the nephew and all his children, concubines, household staff were executed . In a bit of irony its doubtful Hideyori was actually his child, the real father was probably Lady Yodo's long time paramour Ono Harunaga . Hideyoshi also made up lame jokes a lot, and Kim Gyu Cheol's Hideyoshi is doing that perfectly, which is something that IYSS's Hideyoshi didn't do. IYSS's Hideyoshi was so serious in everything. Lady Yodo and Hideyoshi's wife Nene all make appearance in this drama by the way. The Japanese scenes took about 25 minutes of running time on Episode 2, so some Korean netizens jokingly called this drama KBS Special Historical Drama "Toyotomi Hideyoshi" after Episode 2 aired lol. I think Lee Gwang Gi's Konishi is better than IYSS's Konishi as well, but maybe this is just because I loved him as Ha Ryun in Jeong Dojeon so much that I might be biased. Kato is the same as he was in IYSS, so that's the only thing I don't like about the Japanese portrayal I guess. Do you know when this drama is going to air in Japan, MTR? I'm just curious.
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Post by excelsior on Feb 17, 2015 14:55:23 GMT -5
It may be the same Kato, but he isn't the screaming lunatic he was in Immortal. Not yet, anyways.
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Post by truth on Feb 17, 2015 15:04:09 GMT -5
It may be the same Kato, but he isn't the screaming lunatic he was in Immortal. Not yet, anyways. He may not be screaming, but he still sounds like a psychopath for saying " I love tasting the blood of Tsushima Islanders." (in white, as it might be a spoiler. Drag to read)
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Post by mugwump on Feb 17, 2015 19:24:53 GMT -5
Has it turned up online anywhere yet? Even without subs?
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Post by HungV on Feb 17, 2015 19:30:33 GMT -5
Maybe this drama will air in Japan by KBS World Japan. I saw "Jeong Do Jeon" was subbed in Japanese in KBS World Japan before.
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Post by MTR on Feb 17, 2015 20:02:50 GMT -5
They will probably get it in about 3 months , seems KBS and NHK are pretty tight these days, ill ask some of the Japanese peeps i know .
Not a big Hideyoshi fan to be honest, for me he pales in compared to Nobunaga and Ieyasu .
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Post by sageuk on Feb 19, 2015 7:29:14 GMT -5
Its probably a bit too soon considering this show just started, but old vs new in regards to certain roles, truth?
Lee Jae Ryong vs Kim Sang-joong as Yu Seong-ryong?
Choi Chul-ho vs Kim Tae Woo as Seonjo?
Jeong Dong-hwan vs Im Dong-jin as Yun Dusu?
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Post by truth on Feb 19, 2015 9:03:59 GMT -5
Its probably a bit too soon considering this show just started, but old vs new in regards to certain roles, truth? Lee Jae Ryong vs Kim Sang-joong as Yu Seong-ryong? Choi Chul-ho vs Kim Tae Woo as Seonjo? Jeong Dong-hwan vs Im Dong-jin as Yun Dusu? I think it's too early to decide to be honest. All three characters differ from each other in the two dramas. For example, Yun Dusu in IYSS is totally evil guy just hating on YSS for no reason, Yun Dusu in Book of Corrections is very loyal to the king and will do anything to stop anyone who gets in the way of King Seonjo. Whatever Seonjo does is the right way for him. Seonjo has his own reason for his inferiority complex rather than just having mental breakdown over YSS all the time. The biggest difference between IYSS and Book of Corrections is that everything revolved around YSS in IYSS while it doesn't in Book of Corrections. YSS characters are more cartoonish, everything happens because of YSS and everybody hates YSS like every villains hate Batman. Seonjo wants YSS arrested all the time, Yun Dusu wants YSS arrested all the time, Hideyoshi is mad at YSS for ruining his evil plan and even sees YSS in his dream despite the fact that he did not know how YSS looked like since he had never seen him, Wakizaka is mad all the time due to YSS. None of this is the case in Book of Corrections, since YSS does not even make appearance at all, at least for now that is. I've only decided which ones I like better for two characters so far : Hideyoshi and Konishi. And Book of Corrections wins.
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