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Post by truth on Jul 11, 2011 17:16:39 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiOR7vwLJf8Here's the 1st teaser for the drama. Let me also make a correction about what I said earlier. Queen Sataek's son Buyeo Kyogi is not a fictional character. The Japanese historical record Nihon Shokii states that Baekjae prince Kyogi came to Japan.
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Post by truth on Jul 18, 2011 16:26:14 GMT -5
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Post by truth on Jul 19, 2011 16:55:11 GMT -5
I think the fall of Baekje kind of resemble the fall of Troy
Baekje - Troy Shilla - Greece Gyebaek - Hektor King Uija - Paris Eun Go - Helen Kim Yushin - Achilles Kim Choon Chu - Menelaus Su Dingfang - Agamemnon Kim Kwan Chang - Patroklos
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Post by MTR on Jul 19, 2011 16:59:11 GMT -5
I would disagree on Achilles /Yushin because unlike Yushin Achilles does not seem to have been smart ,more an emotional pouty brute .
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Post by griffin on Jul 20, 2011 2:01:22 GMT -5
I would disagree on Achilles /Yushin because unlike Yushin Achilles does not seem to have been smart ,more an emotional pouty brute . Most of the Greek heroes seem to be that. Not least to say, arrogant, egoistical, etc, etc. ;D
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Post by truth on Jul 28, 2011 18:35:08 GMT -5
I watched the 1st 2 episodes and they were pretty boring so far. If Gwanggaeto is DJY Season 2, this drama is QSD season 2. Almost half the actors from QSD are back in this drama.
This drama is also filled with historical distortions like all other historicals. Queen Sataek is the new Mishil. King Mu is depicted as a weak king who has no control over his royal court, which is absolutely false since he was one of the "reforming kings" of Baekje along with Geunchogo.
Chil Sook from QSD is playing 95% identical role as the one in QSD. He just has a different name. It looks like Gyebaek will spend his childhood as a commoner in Silla because of good ol' political conspiracy from the evil side. I know that there isn't too much record about Gyebaek's earlier life, but I seriously doubt that he spent his childhood as a commoner in Silla.
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Post by sageuk on Jul 28, 2011 23:00:06 GMT -5
^Aye, there was a reason why I tended to avoid Kdramas. They tend to be the same. Cliche #13, using a typical formula over and over. Rags to riches stories have been overdone; all it just takes is a little imagination to try something different. For Yi Soon Shin, the rags to riches part is a little justified because historically, his family despite being yangban, were poor. I think it had to do with his father not employed by the government or something.
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Post by MTR on Jul 29, 2011 16:05:13 GMT -5
Yeon Gae So Moon had a similar plot line as well ,childhood in Shilla as a slave ect .
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Post by truth on Aug 1, 2011 19:08:02 GMT -5
I've just watched ep3 and it looks like I was wrong about Gyebaek spending his childhood as a commoner in Silla. He does live as a commoner, but he lives in Baekjae. I heard that he's supposed to go to Silla later and become a slave for Kim Yushin though(like SBS YGSM)
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Post by sageuk on Aug 2, 2011 1:02:05 GMT -5
Why why why why why
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Post by annette on Aug 4, 2011 3:23:32 GMT -5
Hi guys! Glad to see the gang here, i knew ya'll be here So can someone explain the relationship between Gye baek's father and the king's second wife - they were supposedly together before she married the king? Am really disliking her from the get go like Mishil - i couldn't stand Mishil with her smirks, which is all she did best, i guess that's why its almost a year later and am yet to go past ep 14 of QSD. And how is it that the soldiers can disobey the king's orders and follow thso of his wife who is not even a queen? Does that make sense that they defied him and in plain sight at that? I just watched ep 1 and i found that scene a bit hard to believe cos i've seen quite a number of sageuks and they seem to portray soldiers as very loyal to the king, that kind of unquestionable loyalty or atleast the queen doesn't/shouldn't do that to the king infront of everyone like that. They've made the king seem really pathetic, like in QSD. Also does prince Uija's mother die and the second wife becomes the queen? & BTW that son of hers is awful scary, yikes!
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Post by truth on Aug 4, 2011 19:39:23 GMT -5
Hi guys! Glad to see the gang here, i knew ya'll be here So can someone explain the relationship between Gye baek's father and the king's second wife - they were supposedly together before she married the king? Am really disliking her from the get go like Mishil - i couldn't stand Mishil with her smirks, which is all she did best, i guess that's why its almost a year later and am yet to go past ep 14 of QSD. And how is it that the soldiers can disobey the king's orders and follow thso of his wife who is not even a queen? Does that make sense that they defied him and in plain sight at that? I just watched ep 1 and i found that scene a bit hard to believe cos i've seen quite a number of sageuks and they seem to portray soldiers as very loyal to the king, that kind of unquestionable loyalty or atleast the queen doesn't/shouldn't do that to the king infront of everyone like that. They've made the king seem really pathetic, like in QSD. Also does prince Uija's mother die and the second wife becomes the queen? & BTW that son of hers is awful scary, yikes! You're right about the relationship between Gyebaek's father and the king's second wife. Gyebaek's father is a fictional character by the way. Nothing is known about Gyebaek's father including his name. I also think the part about defying king's order makes no sense. Keep in mind that this drama is highly fictional, even more so than Geunchogo. 95% of this drama is fictional. I'm assuming that only historical part is going to be the Battle of Hwangsanbul. The second queen(who is probably the one and only queen in real history) never had such power. King Mu(Uija's father) was not a weak king, but a powerful one. Two of Baekjae's biggest Buddhist temples were built during his reign. He invaded Silla multiple times despite the court's disapproval. He couldn't have done that if he was a weak king as he is in this drama. SBS Seo Dongyo has the proper portrayl of King Mu. Yes, Uija's mother(Seonhwa)dies and the second wife becomes the queen. However, Uija's mother in the drama probably never existed. If King Mu actually married a Silla princess, he wouldn't have constantly invaded Silla throughout his reign. The fact that King Mu's great grandfather King Sung was beheaded by Silla King Jin Heung, Seonhwa(if she existed)'s great-grandfather, also makes the marriage between Mu and Seonhwa impossible. Seonhwa is supposed to be QSD's younger sister if she was real, but she doesn't even appear in Samguk Sagi, the historical record of the Threee Kingdoms. She is only mentioned in series of folktale collection Samguk Yusa. I think QSD drama did a good job by leaving her out of the drama, since she was most likely not real. Basically, this drama turned Uija's real mother into an evil stepmother who constantly wants to kill Uija. I think she would be very furious if she knew about these drama writers.
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Post by annette on Aug 5, 2011 2:04:17 GMT -5
So when KBS, SBS etc are making these sageuks they really have no intention of telling the actual story but only use these events in history as a backdrop for their own stories/whatever drama they want to make? I used to think the dramas were a reenactment of Korean history to teach people the history, until i googled the events and noticed there were significant changes/differences. I guess cos this is mainly for entertainment value and not a history lesson that's why they're less concerned about historical accuracy and more on what the audience might be hooked on hence the soap opera like scenes witnessed in King Geunchogo and the like.
The real Uija's mom is his step mom, what about the brother then - the second queen's son? Am sure the actual king had concubines so its a given that Uija had step brothers - but am guessin there's a reason they show the second wife's scary kid - in history did Uija had to fight one of his brothers for the throne or is this fiction as well to add to the drama?
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Post by truth on Aug 5, 2011 2:38:01 GMT -5
So when KBS, SBS etc are making these sageuks they really have no intention of telling the actual story but only use these events in history as a backdrop for their own stories/whatever drama they want to make? I used to think the dramas were a reenactment of Korean history to teach people the history, until i googled the events and noticed there were significant changes/differences. I guess cos this is mainly for entertainment value and not a history lesson that's why they're less concerned about historical accuracy and more on what the audience might be hooked on hence the soap opera like scenes witnessed in King Geunchogo and the like. The real Uija's mom is his step mom, what about the brother then - the second queen's son? Am sure the actual king had concubines so its a given that Uija had step brothers - but am guessin there's a reason they show the second wife's scary kid - in history did Uija had to fight one of his brothers for the throne or is this fiction as well to add to the drama? Yeah, recent Sageuks don't care about historical accuracies anymore. IYSS was probably the last time a Sageuk tried to stick to real history as much as it could. Age of Warriors and Emperor Wang Guhn are others. There is no record about Uija fighting a younger brother in any remaining Korean historical texts, but the Japanese Nihon Shoki states that Uija's younger brother Kyogi and 4 sisters immigrated to Japan after the death of King Uija's mother. There were constant assassination attempts against Kyogi after his arrival in Japan and some of his children actually ended up getting killed. These are stuff that Uija's "stepmom" Sataek had buried inside a stone pagoda at the Mireuksa temple during King Mu's reign. Sataek wrote the red writings herself. She states that she is the person responsible for building the temple and burying these goods in the pagoda. She also praises King Mu's greatness.
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Post by ajk on Aug 5, 2011 11:43:24 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great info on the new series, truth. Not going to hold my breath that we'll get it in Chicago, but you never know.
Just curious: Wouldn't you give Great King Sejong points for historical accuracy? You know this stuff much better than I do so I won't presume to disagree with you, but when that series was running and I was picking up the history along with the story, it seemed like they did make the effort, even when turning away from accuracy could have made for a TV-friendlier story (like certain other series I won't mention Dae Joyoung Iron Empress whoops how did that slip out).
Would be interested in what you thought of it. Anyway, thanks again; always appreciated.
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