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Post by chuck on Oct 29, 2009 11:19:18 GMT -5
I forgot about this in my earlier post on episode 46, but Mishil has already given specific orders to kill Deokman, rather than capture her. So something's got to give in the episode coming up. Will Sowha convince Chilsuk not to kill her? Or will she just escape? Maybe Bidam will come to the rescue again? But aren't Bidam and Chunchu off performing some other task?
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 29, 2009 18:04:24 GMT -5
I forgot about this in my earlier post on episode 46, but Mishil has already given specific orders to kill Deokman, rather than capture her. So something's got to give in the episode coming up. Will Sowha convince Chilsuk not to kill her? Or will she just escape? Maybe Bidam will come to the rescue again? But aren't Bidam and Chunchu off performing some other task? Yes, Bidam and Chunchu are off doing something else. Mishil did give the order to have Deokman killed but what does she intend to do about Chunchu? She hasn't said anything but I would think she'd want him disposed of too. I still hope Lord Jijin's army shows up and possibly the Gaya (Kaya) soldiers. They've been training for awhile so where are they right now? Also I was wondering about that paper Sohwa has, if it's about Bidam's birth, it must only list Mishil as his mother. Bidam has looked at it and I think if he knew his father was the former King, he'd be after the throne too. (Just a thought) Perhaps Mishil will tell him and that's what causes him to rebel. I just hope Chilsuk doesn't kill Sohwa. He loves her but his loyalty to Mishil is greater as we've seen. On a side note, why doesn't Bidam act crazy anymore?
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Post by mugwump on Oct 29, 2009 20:54:18 GMT -5
Bidam does know he's the king's son. He looked it up in the library where it clearly stated the date that a son was born to Mishil and Jinju. Remember, Munno also had Deokman's birth certificate. So Bidam checked the birth dates in the records, got Deokman to tell him her birthday, and thus he confirmed he was King Jinju's son. I don't know why Bidam has been acting more normal either. Maybe Munno's death sobered him. Or maybe the writers are not dwelling on that aspect now, because there are too many other more important things going on right now.
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Post by chuck on Oct 30, 2009 0:55:32 GMT -5
Good thing you guys are around to remind me of all the stuff I've forgotten from earlier episodes. Now I do remember Bidam surmising that he was of semi-royal birth.
Also, now I too am wondering where the Gaya army is. That is a trump card that hasn't been played yet. Surely they were training as an army for just such an emergency.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 31, 2009 12:38:36 GMT -5
Bidam does know he's the king's son. He looked it up in the library where it clearly stated the date that a son was born to Mishil and Jinju. Remember, Munno also had Deokman's birth certificate. So Bidam checked the birth dates in the records, got Deokman to tell him her birthday, and thus he confirmed he was King Jinju's son. Thanks mugwump. I do remember Bidam looking at the records in the library and tricking Deokman into telling him when her birthday was but I forgot about the part where he discovered he was King Jinju's son. Now I'm wondering why Bidam hasn't come forward to claim the throne (yet) as Chunchu did. The plot thickens.
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Post by mugwump on Nov 1, 2009 14:37:51 GMT -5
I'm curious too as to what Bidam's lon-term plans are. For the moment, at least, he's giving his full support to Deokman. I'm sure this in part is due to Munno's last request to Bidam to become a Hwarang and support Deokman and Yushin. But he also loves Deokman, and he told Mishil that he was going to unite the three kingdoms to win her (D) over. Now it was unclear whether he planned to unite the kingdoms as the king of Shilla or just as a warrior. (I really wish he wouldn't give so much away when he talks to Mishil.) It's interesting that all these men are putting aside their own ambition to support these equally ambitious women. Seolwan and Sejong were even joking about it.
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Post by pilseung on Nov 3, 2009 13:17:08 GMT -5
It's really sad that Deokman's "mom" dies.I really liked her.Chilsuk might now lose his will to help Mishil. ;D
Now Deokman is really cheesed off! She's one angry tiger. Mishil's really pushed the wrong buttons. ;D
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Post by tinkerbell on Nov 3, 2009 16:04:33 GMT -5
I feared Chilsuk would kill her but I didn't expect it to be by accident. He does seem to have lost the will to live. I am hoping he will defect from Mishil's camp but I can't really see it happening. It's all he's ever known. You never know though. I was so wishing Munno was still around. No one seems to be able to match Chilsuk's skills. Yushin sure took a beating by him. I admire his determination considering his physical condition. What did Sohwa do with that red pouch she was carrying? Who will find it? It was interesting that kites were used to spread the propaganda. Legend has it that Yushin used kites as a way to communicate between his troops. Mishil shut down that Tang envoy impressively. It's a shame she's the enemy. I can't wait until Alcheon and the others are freed. Alcheon looks terrible and is getting the brunt of the torture. The other Hwarang are starting to question what's happening and hopefully will join Deokman's forces. I loved the ending seeing the look on Mishil's face when Deokman showed up.
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Post by pilseung on Nov 3, 2009 16:59:59 GMT -5
Yup,her look was priceless.She's really starting to panic and make mistakes.
That red Hwarang that saw his buddy stab Mishil's husband is going to defect....I hope. He should at least be the whistle-blower that will help Deokman's camp.The Hwarangs in general tend to place being honorable above all else.So I really hope they see through these smoke screens and back Deokman wholeheartedly.
Poor Alcheon,he's such a good guy.He was the first one to pledge his loyalty to Deokman.They need to rescue him NOW.He IS looking terrible.
No offence intended towards anyone but looking at the pouch's shape I can just imagine where Sohwa has hidden it.So I hope they check her over thoroughly before they bury her.
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Post by mugwump on Nov 3, 2009 19:34:36 GMT -5
Well that sure was a great escape plan. I was fooled along with Chilsuk and his men. Terrific fight between Yushin and Chilsuk. But I find it hard to believe Solhwa has become so clever, that she could have thought it all up.
Gee, I forgot about the red pouch. If anyone took it, it would have been Bidam. He's the only one who seemed to notice it. It will be interesting to see what Chilsuk does now. It sounded like he wanted to give up and die, but he's still obeying Mishil.
Does anyone remember what the Chinese governor looked like back in the early episodes when Deokman was arrested for the tea smuggling? I've been waiting for him to make a return, since his earlier appearance seemed like a fluffy sidebar, but as we all know, everything in this show means something eventually. So I was wondering if he's one of the envoys or maybe he'd show up later. Or does maybe Chunchu know the envoy, since he lived there for so long? Somehow the Tang envoys have to get on the side with the good guys here.
Poor Archeon and Yushin, really taking hits for the team.
Bidam seems to be thinking really hard about something. Can't wait to find out what it could be.
I really want the baby-faced hwarang to get what's coming to him. He knows all about Mishil's treachery, but he's still going along with it. The other hwarangs are just confused; it's taking them a really long time to put two and two together, rather dense of them.
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Post by chuck on Nov 3, 2009 22:22:34 GMT -5
As soon as Deokman rejected Sowha's plan, you knew it had to be her serving as a decoy for Deokman to get away. In fact, I just can't believe that Deokman finally accepted the plan. It was a virtual certainty that Sowha would be killed. With the emphasis Confucian philosophy puts on respect and love for one's parents, it's just impossible to believe Deokman would allow her (virtual) mother to die in her place.
On the other hand, Deokman's strategies for fighting Mishil are very effective. The Hwarang are wavering, the propaganda leaflets are making everyone suspicious of Mishil's Emergency Government.
But Mishil was magnificent in rebuking the Tang envoy. Threatening her just brings out the tiger in her. And there's nothing that can unite domestic enemies quicker than a foreign enemy.
Deokman's appearance in the palace puts Mishil in a quandary. She did not want Deokman taken alive. Now she's alive and front and center. It was funny, you could hear Deokman say, three times before she got Mishil's attention: "Saeju Mishil!" But Mishil was just ignoring her like some bothersome groupie. She had to shatter a potted plant to get noticed.
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Post by pilseung on Nov 4, 2009 8:51:33 GMT -5
EP 48Mishil's people are just gangsters;the way they kill off people in front of others to put the fear of death into them.I guess,secret police would be a more apt description. Mishil may be clever but she's not wise.She doesn't even know that no matter how smart one is,there's always someone smarter.After her years of advising and plotting,she just assumed no one would ever be able to outwit her! ;D ARROGANCE personified...arghhh.
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Post by mugwump on Nov 4, 2009 21:52:10 GMT -5
Ep 48 - what a suspenseful, fun episode.
Bidam's acting a bit hormonal in this episode, but he came up with a great idea to use "Munno's" influence on the hwarangs. So, who do you all think Mishil aimed her arrow at? Deokman? Yushin's father? Youngchun? Archeon? Gobo? The cute guy from Archeon's troop? Is Deokman wearing her arrow-proof vest? Will someone leap in front of the arrow and take one for the team?
So much to anticipate...
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Post by chuck on Nov 4, 2009 22:53:48 GMT -5
I had to laugh when Seolwon (? sorry, I can never remember that guy's name) put the Vulcan paralyzing grip on the King. So I guess Bidam never did tell anyone about Munno's death. Why? I can't believe Chinchilla still can't ride a horse. I've actually been watching Seodongyo lately, and they used the same tactic of dropping leaflets from balloons (edit: I mean kites) onto an unsuspecting public. Very effective. Did Mishil really think all the nobles would give up the source of their power? Does that even make any sense? She's forgetting the basics! It's a good question about who Mishil aimed her arrow at. Maybe she just buzzed it over Deokman's head. If not that, then I do think it was at Deokman, and someone will have jumped in front of it.
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Post by tinkerbell on Nov 5, 2009 0:22:59 GMT -5
I can't believe we have to wait a whole week to find out what happens but after the last few depressing episodes, things are looking up for Team Deokman. I thought the same thing. What is he Mr. Spock now using the Vulcan nerve pinch? The King is on death's door and he finally grows a **** just to be rendered unconscious. I think Seolwan is just as wicked as Mishil. I guess that's why he adores her so much. I think Bidam didn't tell anyone about Munno's death because he's partly responsible. For a minute there when Bidam went to the grave site, I wished this was more of a fantasy drama. I so wanted those rocks to move and have Munno come out. hehe ;D That was a great idea for Bidam to disguise himself as Munno. Hopefully no one realizes he's not the Gukseon. Mishil thought her plan would work because she's had the royal family, the nobles and the people petrified for so long she didn't expect anything different. Hey if they don't comply just kill them. All I kept saying was YES, FINALLY!! It's about time the "other" Hwarang decided to side with Deokman except for the few losers like Seokpum, monkey man and their lackeys. She is the leader of the Hwarang after all. I think Lord Jujin's son helped him solidify his decision. If he gave his army over to Mishil why would she keep him alive? She really wouldn't need him anymore. Apparently many other nobles had the same idea because they didn't show up for the interrogation. Maybe they're marching towards the city too. Bidam was acting quite hormonal, as you said. I cringed every time he grabbed or pushed Yushin. Yushin's had enough already. He wouldn't have left Deokman go without good reason or some kind of plan. If I remember that Chinese governor correctly, didn't he have bug eyes? I don't think he was any of the envoys we've seen so far. I've always wondered if we'd ever see any of Deokman's buddies from the trading post again, especially the guy that always gave her books and made that picture of Sohwa for her as a going away present. Man, Alcheon looks worse every time we see him. Actually Deokman's fellow nangdo's don't look too well either. I didn't think Chilsuk would try and stop Mishil from shooting the arrow. I think we all agree someone will take the arrow for her. Alcheon, Seohyeon and Yongchun are right behind her so I would guess one of them would jump in front of her, most likely Alcheon because he's a loyal Hwarang. He won't die though because he out lives the Princess in history. Of course this show is so unpredictable you never know.
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