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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 5, 2008 20:22:16 GMT -5
EPISODE #112 shekeremaker, Geom already is a better man than Li Kaigu. I feel so bad for him. He's in such a terrible predicament and he's so conflicted right now. I wouldn't want to be Geom right now. What does he do? He did follow his convictions and stayed behind instead of joining the attack on the Goguryeoans. Even if he didn't know DJY was his real father, he still would have stayed behind. I think he would have adamantly opposed and confronted LK. He knows how his "father" feels about DJY, and now he really knows why. He can't just turn off his feelings for the man he believed was his father all these years. If he did, he'd be an ingrate and that's just not who Geom is, and I wouldn't want him to be that person. He grew up believing he was a Khitan. His whole identity has been shaken. On the other hand, he admires and has feelings for DJY and his people. Add to that, he now knows DJY is his real father but he can't just leave Khitan and become son to DJY and a Goguyeoan. Yes, Li Kaigu is a very complex, unpredictable character. I agree Li Kaigu was pretty amazing to love and raise Geom as his own son and is very possessive of him. I know Geom notices this, which makes it that much harder on him. It's extremely sad Geom found out at all. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. It's a shame the actor who plays Geom ( JUNG TAE WOO ) didn't get the leading role because he's so dynamic!!! Not boring like some of the other actors.
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Post by shekeremaker on Apr 5, 2008 22:44:13 GMT -5
WOW!!! Thanx for the hot photog. I think I'll print and frame it. Didn't he play the lead in another Korean drama? He played a really mean emperor or something like that.
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 6, 2008 11:25:58 GMT -5
He starred in "The King and I" as a cruel ruler due to his dark childhood, if that's what you're referring to.
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 6, 2008 18:21:09 GMT -5
jojo, what did you think of the last episode?
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Post by jojo on Apr 7, 2008 8:51:19 GMT -5
I think LK is a confused person, full of conflicting thoughts and emotions. On the other hand, to me he is predictable: he always twists his personal vendetta against DJY into what he thinks is best for Khitan. In that way, his mind is closed to alternatives. And when Geom gets involved with DJY, it makes LK even more determined to eliminate DJY. Perhaps LK is afraid of being forsaken by Geom. Maybe raising Geom as his own is yet another way to get at DJY. (Why didn't LK and Chulin have any children themselves?)
XR said alliances are not made based on trust but on mutual benefit. Following that reasoning, LK should have put aside his personal hatred, because an alliance with DJY would make Khitan and the new Gorguryeo much more formidable to Tang & the Turks. Unfortunatlely, LK is finding out the hard way by leaving Yingzhou open to attack. I wonder if DJY will be called upon once again to save Khitan.
Good scenes with Chulin and Geom. I agree that it was good that he didn't just walk away from his Khitan heritage, but just think about what he could do for the Khitans and the Gorguryeans if LK wasn't so hard-headed! (and how much better Geom would feel) I don't think we've seen the last of Geom helping the Gorguryeans, even though he keeps saying so.
SW's reaction on learning of the Xi tribes betrayal: priceless!
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 7, 2008 14:42:52 GMT -5
I've wondered about that too. Why didn't they have any other children? Li Kaigu tries to forget the truth about Geom, but every time Geom and DJY are together, LK is smacked with reality especially when he sees Geom admire him. Add that to the hate he already has for DJY and DJS for "killing" his father (thanks to Shin Hong flaming that fire for years).
I agree that hatred clouded Kaigu's judgment. Now look at the situation. How many people will die before the Khitans make it back to Yingzhou to fight off the Turks? LK has Chulin and Geom but he's still insecure. Remember the conversation he had with Chulin about DJY being the enemy?
Sun Wanrong hasn't come down to earth yet since he was made Khan. Combine that with his excessive drinking and it's no wonder he was duped.
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Post by mugwump on Apr 8, 2008 17:15:17 GMT -5
Why don't they have any other kids? Maybe Chulin's never let him into bed with her. They weren't sharing a bed last week when Li Kaigu had his nightmare, and she didn't even let him into bed with her on their wedding night. He did spend a lot of time away from home fighting Tang when they were younger. Maybe he didn't get any R&R.
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 8, 2008 20:11:09 GMT -5
You're right mugwump, I didn't even think about that. Chulin came from the other room when Li Kaigu woke up from his nightmare. Hmmm..... No wonder he sneers so much.
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Post by jojo on Apr 9, 2008 12:53:26 GMT -5
No doubt many of the world's woes can be traced to a lack of a "good night's rest." ;D
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 11, 2008 15:22:35 GMT -5
EPISODE #113 OK, I'm a little puzzled. How did Xue Rengui, Li Wen and his men come into possession of Li Kaigu's flag? They weren't even in the vicinity of the battle. DJY and his men were all over the place looking for LK. It doesn't make sense that Tang soldiers would have it. Wounded generals are good at finding caves to hide in. Sun Wanrong is going to surrender? The former Khan wouldn't have done that. I know Chulin and Geom don't believe Kaigu is dead, probably because they don't want it to be true. Still, that flag really doesn't prove he's dead, just that it was lost and bloodied in battle. Sun Wanrong sure is making a lot of wrong decisions. He said everything was his fault but Shin Hong and Li Kaigu are just as much to blame. They should have kept the alliance. If they would have been rational, they would have chosen the lesser of two evils (in their eyes). Their stupidity, driven by revenge may very well bring down Khitan. It's a good thing LK and SH blend into the background so well. DJY and his men couldn't see them anywhere. I say "string up the tactician".
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2008 15:57:19 GMT -5
I was wondering about the flag too. There must be so many scouts and spies everywhere that they’re tripping over each other. And how did Sun Wanrong know about LK’s defeat without anyone arriving yet from Liaodong? I agree that it’s a mistake to think LK is dead because his banner showed up, and a hugh mistake to surrender. Even if SW had wanted to keep the alliance, LK and SH would have done what they wanted anyway. Yes, string up the tactician!! For a while, I thought Mimosa and SH were going to come face to face! :oFor all the evilness in Shin Hong, seeing him ball like a baby over LK was bizarre. I guess SH is just evil, not tough. I’m mad at Dae Jo Young. A moment of hesitation and he lost LK. Tsk tsk tsk. And after LK kicked dirt in his face. DJY’s flashback was cool! I haven’t seen those episodes. LK was a blasted bastard, shooting an arrow at close range, then flinging the dagger. Not proper conduct for a warrior! Tsk, tsk again! Back to reality and it’s those nasty little daggers thrown by LK’s generals. Da bums! Loved seeing XR back to his tricks & whipping out the fan ;D (though I do miss the feather duster). When he told Mochuo to hand over the conquest, there was a quick sly look of him checking out M’s reaction. Liked his dialogue with Hongpei: “Why would I stick my finger in an angry snake’s mouth?!” But finally someone calls his bluff: Yay for Chulin!
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 11, 2008 16:31:06 GMT -5
YES! That scene with Shin Hong crying was bizarre. I had to laugh. He was crying like Li Kaigu was his wife or his child. If you think about it, who else does Shin Hong have? Anybody else would have gotten rid of him by now. The flashback was one of many where DJY should have been dead and miraculously survived. That's why we talked about him having used up his 9 lives.
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Post by jojo on Apr 14, 2008 13:30:44 GMT -5
Ep 114 Well, well, well: the tables have turned. DJY now has Khitan refugees. Let's see if he let's them go or insists they are now Gorguyean citizens!! Testy conversation between Biwu and Chulin in the forest. Interesting reaction from DJS upon learning that DJY is Geom's father. "Sharing the same blood doesn't make us all brothers and sons. We must be one at heart and in mind." Some people, like SH, might argue that! "But Geom is a Khitan through and through." I think that's true. Perhaps DJS's reaction is the wisest course. Wow! XR flips out on Mochuo!! That was fun. (edited quote on Tuesday morning)
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Post by tinkerbell on Apr 15, 2008 12:13:44 GMT -5
EPISODE #114 I missed the beginning. The first thing I saw was Sun Wanrong and his men catching DJS, Geom, Gulsabiwu, Geumlan and the refugees trying to escape the city. I didn't see how Geom got involved after he said he wouldn't help. I'm surprised DJS over heard Chulin and Biwu's conversation, not that they were talking quietly. Usually it's Shin Hong or one of his spies who manage to hear all the private conversations. DJS was right in what he said, but family is family. He showed some of that when Geom was sleeping and he covered him up. Even though he said Geom wasn't his grandson, he feels it in his heart. Geom isn't going to get over his struggle of who he is or where he belongs over night. He did tell his mother" he would never forget who he is", but he's still conflicted. On top of that, he is a noble man and wants to do the right thing. Yes, the tables have turned. I'm surprised Shin Hong told the truth that Chulin and Geom went to DJY willingly. How in the world did Li Kaigu, SH and all those soldiers manage to get away safely and wind up back at their camp? I don't get it. The last we saw LK and SH were hiding in some tall grass with DJY and his soldiers looking for them every where. DJY turns around as if he sees or hears them. End of show. The next episode they're at their camp with more soldiers than I expected to see. What a vanishing act!!! I think the Turks underestimate Xue Rengui at times. I'm glad he stood up to Muchuo. It was cool even if they are the enemy. Didn't XR say something like "it wasn't supposed to happen this way"? Well the fighting doesn't seem to be over. The Emperor sure is happy these days since her enemies are killing one another off.
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Post by jojo on Apr 16, 2008 7:03:06 GMT -5
Ahh, you missed ol' Pouty-Lips. After XR tells Mochuo that the Khitans will surrender that night, with the condition that the citizens be unharmed, XR, LW and Hongpei have several hearty laughs that everything is going according to their plan. XR feigns chastisement towards HP who claims he wasn't pouting before, it's just that he has pouty lips!! Later that night, the Turks and Tang contingent show up at the Yingzhou gate. SW, Geom & others come out to surrender. Then Mouchou, the blasted bastard , says our conditions are: extermination of the royal line, Khitan women taken as tribute and we will tear down the palace and destroy the city. XR argues with M, who says, I didn't agree to anything! What a dolt, totally bent on destruction because of SW's attitude. Naturally the Khitans start to fight, then some flee. That's how we end up seeing Geom with DJS, trying to get as many citizens out of the city, whether Gorguryeoan or Khitan. I can't believe SW was actually going to fight DJS for trying to leave. Another dolt move. I was also taken by surprise that LK, after struggling vitually alone in the forest, suddenly had a camp. He did say in a previous episode that many soldiers were straggling behind in the rush to get back to Yingzhou. I expected that a good amount of soldiers could be gathered together, but would have lost their supplies. Can you imagine being in charge of the tents, lugging them around, setting them up, taking then down. Guess it's better than being in the infantry.
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