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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 6, 2007 14:01:39 GMT -5
It seems like as the saying goes,"only the good die young" (or too soon). I was soooo upset to see Gom Mojam murdered. How could that little brat "king" do that to his trusted, loyal, good Commander?
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Post by KyungDaeDoo on Sept 6, 2007 14:10:39 GMT -5
What episode did the murder take place?
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 6, 2007 14:43:00 GMT -5
It happened in last week's episode #50.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 7, 2007 16:30:13 GMT -5
EPISODE# 51 Last night's episode #51 was strange and a bit hard to believe in a lot of ways. The scene with DJY's father yelling at him as soon as he returns after being thought dead was shocking. What a welcome home reception that was! Some people have temporary paralysis and others it is permanent. There was no way of his father knowing and I don't think being verbally abused would be very motivating to "get up and walk". Later while DJY is sleeping, he comes in and says what he should have in the first place and reacts how you would expect a loving father to act. The ending scene with the "miraculous" recovery was really out there. Was it just me or what?
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Post by ajk on Sept 7, 2007 17:11:33 GMT -5
tinkerbell, I'm with you on that recovery scene. When it aired in Chicago I just groaned at it; thought it was one of the low points of the whole series. But one of the Korean members of the forum said that the Korean viewers found it moving and inspirational. If you go back and find the thread titled "A bit cold?" it has an interesting range of opinions about the episode (and nothing after #51 so no spoiler danger for you).
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 7, 2007 19:55:09 GMT -5
Very interesting ajk. I can see how loyalty,devotion, and love of one's country,people,and leader(king etc.) can be inspiring, empowering,and motivating, but the scene wasn't plausible. If he had been slowly recovering and the King's letter gave him hope to push himself harder and led to a quicker recovery... or if the letter caused him to work with all his might to regain his mobility and strength when he hadn't been trying because he was depressed over recent tragedies (including his own immobility), that would have been more believable.We all admire and are challenged to do better when we see someone else's courage. Hope is contagious.I just think they could have shown the strength of the human spirit in the right light instead of looking like a supernatural occurrence(not to say miracles don't happen).Enough said.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 18, 2007 20:04:49 GMT -5
Re: ep #53 & 54
What was with the fake out at the end of #53 ? DJY and Chulin definitely saw each other. The next night starting with that same scene, it was totally different. Chulin never even noticed him, but DJY saw her. Did the writers suddenly decide to change the story line? I thought Chulin would make up an excuse not to marry Li Kaigu since DJY was miraculously alive. Weird!
Another thing that was hard to believe was DJY and Heuk Sodol thinking Gulsabiwu had turned traitor. Didn't they know him better than that? MY first thought would've been "what 's he up to" NOT kill him he betrayed the country.
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Post by seven stars on Sept 19, 2007 7:16:39 GMT -5
I'm with you on Chulin and DJY Tinkerbell.
They must've done it only to build suspense for the following episode.
This whole Gulsabiwu scenario seems to be borrowed from SGYY. Guan Yu (the older of Liu Bei's sworn brother's) was persuaded to serve Cao Cao for a time after losing contact with his brother Bei and fearing that he may have been dead. Guan decided to do this in order to protect Liu Bei's wives who were vulnerable at the time of his capture. Of course the younger brother Zhang Fei sought to fight Guan Yu at their initial reunion.
Interesting "parallel" isn't it?
-7S
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 19, 2007 15:03:31 GMT -5
7S, So, I wonder if it really happened ,or is it just a twist they like to use in these dramas to add tension to the storyline?
(Do you box or are you a fan only?)
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Post by seven stars on Sept 19, 2007 15:16:07 GMT -5
7S, So, I wonder if it really happened ,or is it just a twist they like to use in these dramas to add tension to the storyline? (Do you box or are you a fan only?) Actually I used to box a little Tinkerbell. At this point I'm starting to get old. I would like to open up a gym in Allentown someday. As of now, most of the gyms here are hybrid martial arts/boxing venues. It's one of my dreams. Thanks for asking! Interesting question about the plot though. There seemed to be some similar "SGYY" coincidences in the Emperor Wang Guhn storyline which is very much akin to that of Dae Joyoung. Maybe that's why EWG and DJY are two of my three favorite K-Dramas.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 21, 2007 9:54:37 GMT -5
Last night's episode was very intriguing. It was like a mixture of Robin Hood, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (at the end- I had to laugh),and Alias. Mimosa is quite a slick character. I was very impressed with his skills. I guess Sa Bugu is going to meet his maker soon. There were a lot of scenes showing how cruel and despicable he is to the people, which had you rooting for the "League" to take the "blasted b*****d" out.
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Post by seven stars on Sept 25, 2007 14:17:54 GMT -5
Sorry Tinkerbell, I've not yet seen it.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 2, 2007 12:46:55 GMT -5
re:eps 57 & 58 I sure hope Bu Kiwon, Shin Hong, and Shin Sung get it soon, especially the brothers. Almost forgot Li kaigu, they are all so loathsome. I just had a strong feeling when they brought the captured men from the "League" wearing black hoods to be executed, that it wasn't them (the hoods were the giveaway). I feel sorry for those guys, I hope they can get them out alive and soon. I wonder why none of them trust Namseng at all. I think he is on the same side and wants to revive the country too. Maybe he has loose lips and they don"t want to take any chances. Then again he doesn't seem to see Shin Hong for who he really is and Hong hangs around like a fly on dung.
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Post by popularlibrary on Oct 2, 2007 17:45:38 GMT -5
Mimosa may be a slick planner, but if ep.54 was anything to go by, he has ghastly judgment as an administrator. I don't know what irritated me more - the phoniness of the plotting or its silliness. Here is the top strategist of a secret organization about to execute its most brilliant leader - a man the entire series shows to be pretty much irreplaceable - along with his most essential enforcer, on "principle" yet, without the least regard for what kind of havoc that would play with the organization itself, or what kind of disastrous reaction it might cause in the leader's well-armed father! He consults with no one, checks nothing and just forges ahead, sword flashing.
And he wants to commit this lunacy not because DJY is disloyal or suspect, but because he questions the need to kill a man he knows a lot better than Mimosa. This was clearly done to wring the last drop of melodramatic pathos out of the situation, never mind how it falsified what we know of the characters, or how pointless it was. The Mimosa who has been characterized thus far would have consulted with the king and both questioned and checked far more carefully before taking any action, never mind an action so potentially destructive to the entire organization and all its goals.
Dae Jo-young is one of the better historical series, and I've been enjoying it a lot, but this piece of bad writing-plotting-characterization made my teeth grind.
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Post by seven stars on Oct 12, 2007 8:16:44 GMT -5
re:eps 57 & 58 I sure hope Bu Kiwon, Shin Hong, and Shin Sung get it soon, especially the brothers. Almost forgot Li kaigu, they are all so loathsome. I just had a strong feeling when they brought the captured men from the "League" wearing black hoods to be executed, that it wasn't them (the hoods were the giveaway). I feel sorry for those guys, I hope they can get them out alive and soon. I wonder why none of them trust Namseng at all. I think he is on the same side and wants to revive the country too. Maybe he has loose lips and they don"t want to take any chances. Then again he doesn't seem to see Shin Hong for who he really is and Hong hangs around like a fly on dung. I'm usually with you Tinkerbell, but we differ on Li Kaigu, at least as far as the term loathesome in concerned. I'm not sure that his behavior can be deemed as such. He is a warrior who is guided by his loyalties, passion and by his own strength. This probably isn't an uncommon combination of motivators for sword swinging soldiers of ages past. Good call though, you nailed it. Of course Bu Kiwon is still around, just howling mad. Great actor!
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