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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 1, 2008 18:29:39 GMT -5
EPISODE #93
I think the reason we haven't seen Namseng is because he's dead. I thought I read somewhere that he died while at Angdong Protectorate (in real history). It would have been nice if they had let us know that instead of just wondering if he was going to show up again.
When I saw that scene with Shin Hong and Sun Wanrong, I thought here we go again. Can't that snake ever keep his forked tongue in his mouth. Always stirring up trouble and trying to deceive someone into doing what he(SH) wants them to do(his dirty work). Hopefully Sun Wanrong won't be as gullible as Li Kaigu. He did listen to SH but seemed to really think after hearing DJY say he wanted to give the right of command back to Sun.
Wow, two episodes where Li Wen seemed human. To me Xue Rengui is still looking out for his own reputation. He admitted that Li Wen was the only one who ever defeated DJY and XR wants to win this battle so LW is valuable to him. Did you notice how Xue just eats up the flattery and praise?
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Post by jojo on Feb 1, 2008 18:49:51 GMT -5
It was positively odd to see Shin Hong's smile of happiness at Li Kaigu's release. Made me queasy. Yea, Xue Rengui is lapping up the compliments. He's turning into a softie in his golden years. DJY can be difficult to read sometimes, especially in this war effort, leading a large group, he's not revealing his thoughts and feelings. I wasn't sure if he thought getting LK back was a good idea; maybe he thought it wasn't. I like DJY's comment about not becoming like Tang in taking advantage of the Khitans.
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 1, 2008 19:50:51 GMT -5
EPISODE# 93
I think DJY and Co. are really going to regret helping to get Li Kaigu freed, don't you?
I thought the same thing about Shin Hong smiling. He was genuinely happy and it wasn't because he did something devious for once.
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Post by kfan on Feb 1, 2008 21:37:22 GMT -5
I think the reason we haven't seen Namseng is because he's dead. I thought I read somewhere that he died while at Angdong Protectorate (in real history). It would have been nice if they had let us know that instead of just wondering if he was going to show up again. Seems the real Namseng regretted the role he played in bringing about the downfall of the kingdom. He was quite critical of Tang. But they gave him a post in the outskirts and treated him quite well. He lived for a number of years. It was the younger brother who died within a year or two of the downfall of the kingdom. The two brothers were buried close to each other.
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 2, 2008 23:04:37 GMT -5
kfan,
Don't you think Namseng is probably dead by now too since more than 12 years have past?
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Post by kfan on Feb 3, 2008 21:26:13 GMT -5
Tinkerbell, I think Nam Seng lived on for about 20 more years. His brother survived only about 2 years. Nam Seng never caused any more trouble. He made a lot of verbal noise about the Tangs but they treated him well. Probably just to spite him as I can't imagine Tang China treating a dissident well! Although he was posted to the boondocks, he lived in relative comfort till his death.
This show doesn't really follow history so who knows what the reel Nam Seng can get up to!
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 4, 2008 10:06:21 GMT -5
You're right kfan. I guess we'll never know unless we research it ourselves. Thanks.
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Post by jojo on Feb 4, 2008 11:40:11 GMT -5
And let's not forget King Bojang; presumably he passed away from his illness. Ep 94 The Empress complaining about her ministers not having enough smarts is ironic. She killed off a lot of them (probably the ones with the brains) and now she is complaining. Go Geom!! Very brave of him calling his father a coward! If Li Kaigu wasn't so paranoid (and didn't have Shin Hong whispering in his ear), he could have DJY as an ally. (not just any ally!!!) Then he and DJY could both win the war and form a united force against Tang. Duh! One minute LK's telling Geom to go with DJY if things get desparate, the next minute LK's reading to have DJY be annihilated. What a guy. Nice to see Sukyoung taking action against the Tang spies. Go Sukyoung!!!
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 4, 2008 11:49:24 GMT -5
EPISODE# 94 I was very proud of Geom too. Li Kaigu is too far gone and I don't think even his son can reason with him. I'm liking Geom more and more. Yeah, Sukyoung isn't just a pretty face, she's smart too. Maybe Empress Wu and Li Kaigu could get together, they'd make a perfect couple- NUTS!!!
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Post by kfan on Feb 4, 2008 20:43:24 GMT -5
Well, the real Li Kaigu was a favourite of the Tang Emperor (she's not called an Empress). He lived to a ripe old age.
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 5, 2008 19:33:15 GMT -5
Yeah kfan, I remember when she took the title of Emperor, but I still like to call her Empress. So since Kaigu was the favorite, maybe that's why. They are very much alike.
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Post by jojo on Feb 6, 2008 9:38:09 GMT -5
I think Wu Zetian secretly likes 'barbarians'! When LK was in Chang'an I half expected WZ to make a move on him and make him dump Chulin. I got used to referring to WZ as Empress, which, personally I think is as good as Emporer. To me if there is no male emporer, than the female empress is the highest ranking title. However, I suppose that in Chinese the titles have slightly different meanings than in English. I'm going to miss Friday's episode, as well as next week's (going out of town for a while). I hope I can make it for a week without talking about Dae Jo Young!
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 6, 2008 12:45:37 GMT -5
jojo, can you tape it and watch it when you get back? Hope you have a nice trip.
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Post by jojo on Feb 7, 2008 7:22:41 GMT -5
Thank you. Most definitely I'll be taping the episodes. Hope the VCR cooperates. If not you may hear a sonic "blasted bastard" reverberating thru the air.
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Post by JP Paulus on Feb 7, 2008 8:05:04 GMT -5
i'm taking a quick look at these messages....and they seemed like just a couple of weeks ago, rather than MONTHS!!
It'll go by really fast. i can't believe we're almost done in Chicago!!!!
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