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Post by Truth on Apr 1, 2007 19:03:48 GMT -5
what cheonson said is not right... i think cheonson is one of those people that we koreans call 'hwanbba', who believes that everyone in the world originated from korea. I don't understand what you mean but everyone knows that Malgal and Guran(kitan) derived from Josun. Have you heard of the history story, "Seo-Hee and Kangdong 6 ju" which Seo-Hee Dae Janggoon got back parts of Goryeo territory from Kitan dynasty during the battle between the two claiming that "We were originally one people and you are little brother for Goryeo and how you dare attact Goryeo." And also, everyone(except you) knows that Ching(Qing) was built by Shilla and Goryeo descendants and it is, of course, one of Korean dynasties. The pre-ching dynastry was Kim dyanstry which clamed that it was by Shilla royal family-Kim was a Shilla royal family name. actually you're the weird one here because guran and yeojin are stated as 'oranckay'(barbarians) in korean history textbooks.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Apr 2, 2007 16:17:58 GMT -5
Truth, discussion and adding information (with references if you have them) is valued here. Calling someone weird isn't a good idea because we want to be friendly to each other, not insulting.
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Post by Truth on Apr 2, 2007 17:22:36 GMT -5
Truth, discussion and adding information (with references if you have them) is valued here. Calling someone weird isn't a good idea because we want to be friendly to each other, not insulting. what he said is like same thing as saying that native americans were koreans too.
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Post by Nalbal on Apr 3, 2007 17:14:24 GMT -5
what he said is like same thing as saying that native americans were koreans too. Well Truth, everyone has his own opinion. I have been read your posts and they are (as always extremely interesting, and also very helpful to those of us who do not know a lot about Korean history. But Cheonson also has some interesting points. That does not mean I agree with him, but it is interesting to know, nevertheless, what he thinks. I can understand if there is no way you can agree with Cheonson, but you don't have to call him names just because he has an opinion different from yours. We are all allowed to express our own thoughts on this board, whether we are correct or not. Also, please do not take offense from me saying this, because I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just attempting to point this out.
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Post by BAE on Apr 3, 2007 22:38:28 GMT -5
Yeah, you almost have to wonder if the producers looked for someone with extra-solid earlobes when they were casting for the king. I've never seen anything like those earrings before. They're so bulky, they look kind of uncomfortable. Do you suppose they're based on something that kings actually wore at that time? It would be interesting to find out. You'd think the idea came from something historical, maybe a drawing or engraving that's survived from that period. Maybe somebody smarter about this stuff than I am can find an answer. I'm still working on that feather-duster question, but I'll look around on this one too. Gold is one of symbols of Korea. Old Koreans worshiped Gold and all Korean Taewangs had Gold crown and gold ornaments. Gold crowns, earings, rings, necklaces and gold belts are found in the Tombs of Taewangs. That explains why the kings even wore earrings. I think it was an Asian thing. Indian kings did the same.
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Post by BAE on Apr 3, 2007 22:39:44 GMT -5
what he said is like same thing as saying that native americans were koreans too. Well Truth, everyone has his own opinion. I have been read your posts and they are (as always extremely interesting, and also very helpful to those of us who do not know a lot about Korean history. But Cheonson also has some interesting points. That does not mean I agree with him, but it is interesting to know, nevertheless, what he thinks. I can understand if there is no way you can agree with Cheonson, but you don't have to call him names just because he has an opinion different from yours. We are all allowed to express our own thoughts on this board, whether we are correct or not. Also, please do not take offense from me saying this, because I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just attempting to point this out. No need to seal your lips. You're just being a helpful member of the board!
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Post by Nalbal on Apr 5, 2007 7:55:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Bae.
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Post by Nalbal on Apr 5, 2007 7:59:54 GMT -5
Gold is one of symbols of Korea. Old Koreans worshiped Gold and all Korean Taewangs had Gold crown and gold ornaments. Gold crowns, earings, rings, necklaces and gold belts are found in the Tombs of Taewangs. That explains why the kings even wore earrings. I think it was an Asian thing. Indian kings did the same. I see...so when the Gorguryeon king was wearing the gold earings, it showed him to be of a very high, and almost holy, status?
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Post by BAE on Apr 5, 2007 8:23:44 GMT -5
That's what I'm assuming.
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Post by BAE on Apr 10, 2007 20:06:31 GMT -5
Vowing before heaven and earth I get, but drinking each other's blood in milk? That's a bit too much for me, but I get the comraderie they're trying to display.
PS: They've finally mentioned Shilla!
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Post by Nalbal on Apr 11, 2007 12:11:45 GMT -5
Vowing before heaven and earth I get, but drinking each other's blood in milk? That's a bit too much for me, but I get the comraderie they're trying to display. PS: They've finally mentioned Shilla! Yes; vowing I have no problem with, mixing their blood in milk is a little barbaric to me, but did they have to drink it?? And why am I not surprised that Shilla is hanging onto Tang's coattails again?
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Post by ajk on Apr 11, 2007 12:33:45 GMT -5
Yeah, they won't show a love scene but they'll show THAT?? ewwwww....for a minute I thought I was watching Svengoolie by mistake! I wonder if the dairy farmers' association is calling their lawyers this morning.
Well, if people really did that back then, then I have no problem with them showing it, but they really did play it out for effect maybe a little too much. And why do I have the feeling we're going to get a flashback of it down the road. Yecch.
Frankly, the whole episode was a good example of why people criticize the show for being uneven. Monday (#43) was just wild--so much interesting stuff happening so fast, involving just about everybody, you almost had to take notes. But then Tuesday (#44), all of that energy just vanished. Between that scene and the whole last part...without risking a spoiler, it's absurd that the whole bunch of them would just go out and naively run that "errand" considering who had just helped crush their country.
But on the bright side, at least we have some giant earrings again. Another impressive pair.
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Post by zorro on Apr 11, 2007 15:55:35 GMT -5
aj, I've noticed the same pattern… the odd numbered shows are spectacular, and then the next night is somewhat anticlimatic. 41 was my favorite so far.
Also, the new intro screen only shows DJ, Li Kaigu, Xue, Chulin, and Sukyoung, with a shortened theme song. This started with ep 39. I hope they don't start killing off main characters left and right, unless of course it's Bu & Gu.
I cringed when the 3 "brothers" sliced up their hands. Always gives me the willies. And true to form, they were all healed without so much as a bandage on their hands next day.
And for such a smarty, DJ sure walks into a lot of traps. But he'd make a great poker player. I have no idea what he's got up his sleeve ignoring the Shilla King and taking the offensive, but I love his moxie. I can't wait til Mondays now.
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Post by aosy on Apr 12, 2007 9:03:45 GMT -5
Mixing their blood and drinking it is the ancient way of bonding together as in blood brothers even though they came from different families. This is mostly seen in ancient chinese dramas and movies.
In fact in some asian mafia show, the triad members also vow allegiance to their triad that way.
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Post by BAE on Apr 12, 2007 10:06:00 GMT -5
Dae Jo Young is always full of surprises. Just when you think you've got his motives and his plans figured out he springs something new on you. Kind of like Jini in Hwang Jini when the Ambassador (was it?) from China came over and wrote a poem on her hanbok and she ripped it off and threw it into the fire and everyone's jaws dropped open and then she covered it up by saying she's got his poem recited so she doesn't need it on her hanbok! Cleaver people. I think it was ajk who pointed out that they really played that scene out with all the hand slashing for a dramatic effect. Was a bit unnecessary and excessive in my opinion, but it certainly made the point known that they have a special bond now.
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