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Post by Truth on Mar 17, 2007 23:59:28 GMT -5
Gulsabiwu wasn't Manchurian because Manchuria didn't exist at that time. Much of the territory that was Barhae (the new Koguryo) was overrun and conquered centuries later and became Manchuria. I have also seen Gulsabiwu mentioned as being one of the Malgal people. Did this people-group eventually disappear? Malgal people eventually become citizens of Balhae(the new Goguryeo) and as years pass, the Malgals and Balhaeans integrate. Then later on, the integrated Balhaeans and Malgals migrate to Wang Guhn's Koryo, after the fall of Balhae, then integrate with Koryo people. So I'm pretty sure lot of Koreans today have ancestors that descends from Malgal.
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Post by Truth on Mar 18, 2007 0:03:10 GMT -5
well, half of the Malgals become citizens of Khitan's new empire which I don't know how to say in Chinese, but in Korean, 'Yo' dynasty.
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Post by BAE on Mar 22, 2007 10:32:42 GMT -5
Gulsabiwu or Geol Sa Bi Woo was an elderly man, around Dae Jung Sang's age, probably older, who was leader of the Mohe or Malgal tribe. This tribe's origins lie where Ancient Manchuri once was. So, yes, you can call him a Manchurian. His people are actually considered ancestors of present-day Manchurians and Jurchens, people who were located in northeast China and eastern Siberia. And Balhae was a nation that extended from present-day southern territory of Russia to the south of Manchuria and to the northern parts Korea. So while you are correct about him not being "Manchurian", speaking present-day, it's an important correlation to say that Gulsabiwu was in fact who we know to be Manchurian today. After all, Mohe or Malgal implies relations to Manchurian territory. What's really important is the character we're presented with on the show is a really amiable guy. Shouldn't matter if he's Manchurian or anything else. ;D When you said Jurchen, I had to look up Genghis Khan- and found this. The Khitans get powerful. (btw, Until the Sun Falls by Cecelia Holland is a gripping novel about Genghis Khan.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongols_before_Genghis_KhanOMG! I love that book, ginny. No one else I know has read it, so I rarely ever get to talk about it.
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Post by Nalbal on Mar 22, 2007 17:25:38 GMT -5
Still, Pyongyang has one weapon left. The king should go charging through the Tang army, shaking his head back and forth and bludgeoning them all to death with his giant earrings! LOL, ajk! You are very imaginative! I really do wonder why he wore such monsters of earings...and like Bae said, it's got to be more than a fashion statement. Is it because he is the king, and he has to wear fancy/unusual jewlery to show that he is of a higher rank? Still...I can think of better ways to show his superiority ...poor guy. Maybe that's why he was always sighing.
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Post by ajk on Mar 22, 2007 18:17:08 GMT -5
Yeah, you almost have to wonder if the producers looked for someone with extra-solid earlobes when they were casting for the king. I've never seen anything like those earrings before. They're so bulky, they look kind of uncomfortable. Do you suppose they're based on something that kings actually wore at that time? It would be interesting to find out. You'd think the idea came from something historical, maybe a drawing or engraving that's survived from that period.
Maybe somebody smarter about this stuff than I am can find an answer. I'm still working on that feather-duster question, but I'll look around on this one too.
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Post by moreshige2 on Mar 27, 2007 2:04:52 GMT -5
I have also seen Gulsabiwu mentioned as being one of the Malgal people. Did this people-group eventually disappear? Im not sure but I think some or all of the malgal people got absorbed into the Palhae kingdom
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Post by moreshige2 on Mar 27, 2007 2:12:23 GMT -5
Yeah, you almost have to wonder if the producers looked for someone with extra-solid earlobes when they were casting for the king. I've never seen anything like those earrings before. They're so bulky, they look kind of uncomfortable. Do you suppose they're based on something that kings actually wore at that time? It would be interesting to find out. You'd think the idea came from something historical, maybe a drawing or engraving that's survived from that period. Maybe somebody smarter about this stuff than I am can find an answer. I'm still working on that feather-duster question, but I'll look around on this one too. The Korean kings did wear those long earrings.
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Post by ajk on Mar 30, 2007 13:09:44 GMT -5
Thanks, moreshige--appreciate having some confirmation. I did some searching after seeing your post and found a couple of good links for anyone who knows as little as I do about this stuff and might be interested. The first one has some explanation about the significance of earrings and other ornamentation in Korean history, and the second shows a whopping big pair of actual earrings from the tomb of King Mureyong of Baekje (last photo at the bottom). I'm sure there's much more on Korean-language sites, but this is the best of what I could find in English. www.koreanculture.org/06about_korea/symbols/16jangsingu.htmen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_King_Muryeong
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Post by cheonson on Mar 31, 2007 11:21:05 GMT -5
I have also seen Gulsabiwu mentioned as being one of the Malgal people. Did this people-group eventually disappear? Im not sure but I think some or all of the malgal people got absorbed into the Palhae kingdom During Goguryeo era, the Goguryeo people had different tribe names according to the regions except the people in the capital (Pyungyang): Magal tribe is one Goguryeo people(especially Malgal tribe from Manchuria called Huksu Malgal). Malgal was not foreign people for Goguryeo - they were one people under one Taewang. That is why the oldest son of Malgal leader serves for Goguryeo army in drama Dae Jo Young. After the fall of Balhae, the people seperated and then the ancestor of Manchurian appeared. Since Ching dynasty(by Shilla and Goguryeo descendants) was built on Manchuria, old territory of Balhae, the Ching people is known as Malgal now. As far as I know, Kitan(Guran) is one of Korean tribes and for me it is kind of rediculous that Guran tribe is helping Tang in the drama. Kithan later built their own dynasty and the dynasty worshiped Goryeo as their older brother country. The first king of Kitan named himself Aboji which means Father(supreme leader) in Korean language ; as far as I know he named himself Aboji to claim that he is a decendant of Josun(old Josun). Anyway, after the fall of Goguryeo, Manchuria became the war-field for hundreds years among its own descendants.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Mar 31, 2007 16:57:57 GMT -5
Interesting info!!!
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Post by Truth on Mar 31, 2007 17:53:27 GMT -5
Interesting info!!! what cheonson said is not right... i think cheonson is one of those people that we koreans call 'hwanbba', who believes that everyone in the world originated from korea.
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Post by teacher on Mar 31, 2007 21:27:52 GMT -5
Here we go again.. I think I'll say good-by to the board for awhile. Happy Easter to all.
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Post by cheonson on Apr 1, 2007 9:20:35 GMT -5
Interesting info!!! what cheonson said is not right... i think cheonson is one of those people that we koreans call 'hwanbba', who believes that everyone in the world originated from korea. I don't understand what you mean but everyone knows that Malgal and Guran(kitan) derived from Josun. Have you heard of the history story, "Seo-Hee and Kangdong 6 ju" which Seo-Hee Dae Janggoon got back parts of Goryeo territory from Kitan dynasty during the battle between the two claiming that "We were originally one people and you are little brother for Goryeo and how you dare attact Goryeo." And also, everyone(except you) knows that Ching(Qing) was built by Shilla and Goryeo descendants and it is, of course, one of Korean dynasties. The pre-ching dynastry was Kim dyanstry which clamed that it was by Shilla royal family-Kim was a Shilla royal family name.
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Post by cheonson on Apr 1, 2007 9:32:43 GMT -5
Interesting info!!! what cheonson said is not right... . What aspects of my writing is not true are you saying? One more thing, do you know what MalGal means? It means the people who are good at horse-riding : Mal means Horse in Korean.
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Post by cheonson on Apr 1, 2007 9:47:17 GMT -5
Yeah, you almost have to wonder if the producers looked for someone with extra-solid earlobes when they were casting for the king. I've never seen anything like those earrings before. They're so bulky, they look kind of uncomfortable. Do you suppose they're based on something that kings actually wore at that time? It would be interesting to find out. You'd think the idea came from something historical, maybe a drawing or engraving that's survived from that period. Maybe somebody smarter about this stuff than I am can find an answer. I'm still working on that feather-duster question, but I'll look around on this one too. Gold is one of symbols of Korea. Old Koreans worshiped Gold and all Korean Taewangs had Gold crown and gold ornaments. Gold crowns, earings, rings, necklaces and gold belts are found in the Tombs of Taewangs.
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