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Post by BungalowDweller on Mar 13, 2007 22:33:27 GMT -5
It seems that Gum Mojam, Heuk Sudol, and Gulsabiwu have formed a good team and support system for DJY (D'Artagnon). Whenever Gulsabiwu goes somewhere Heuk is not far behind. They've stopped fighting one another and are on the same team. In spite of Heuk's "hangable offence" it seems that the others have no problem in trusting him. I like this group. Now if only they had been allowed on Bu Kiwon's estate to see the "new men" that had arrived at the gate. Heuk would have identified one or more of them immediately and the course of events would have taken an altogether different turn! I thought Heuk was in true form when he raised his ax with gritted teeth! ;D
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Post by Truth on Mar 13, 2007 23:04:30 GMT -5
It seems that Gum Mojam, Heuk Sudol, and Gulsabiwu have formed a good team and support system for DJY (D'Artagnon). Whenever Gulsabiwu goes somewhere Heuk is not far behind. They've stopped fighting one another and are on the same team. In spite of Heuk's "hangable offence" it seems that the others have no problem in trusting him. I like this group. Now if only they had been allowed on Bu Kiwon's estate to see the "new men" that had arrived at the gate. Heuk would have identified one or more of them immediately and the course of events would have taken an altogether different turn! I thought Heuk was in true form when he raised his ax with gritted teeth! ;D This is obviously fictional as Gum Mo Jam was in a much higher position that DJY ever did in Goguryeo. (For one, DJY was still probably a kid at this time.) Gulsabiwu was the head chieftain of the Malgal tribe, he was never a Goguryeo officer. Heuk Sudol is not even a real person.
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Post by bowflex on Mar 14, 2007 0:08:48 GMT -5
Ya, i think that make a good team too. But you do need to remeber Dae Joyoung was a king so he was in a higher position then Gum Mojam. He was king of Balhae....it was basically the new goguryeo when it got defeated
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Post by Truth on Mar 14, 2007 0:52:53 GMT -5
Ya, i think that make a good team too. But you do need to remeber Dae Joyoung was a king so he was in a higher position then Gum Mojam. He was king of Balhae....it was basically the new goguryeo when it got defeated no, i'm talking about this particular time period. I'm talking about Goguryeo, not Balhae.
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Post by Nalbal on Mar 14, 2007 6:47:47 GMT -5
Well, whether it is real or not...I think it is cute, all three of them together .
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Post by BAE on Mar 15, 2007 10:15:48 GMT -5
I actually think that at some point, they need to let these characters go their own separate ways. Sudol has become a joke with his antics. While he is a funny guy and it really provides light humor on the show, sometimes, it gets to also be a bit unnecessary. I wish they'd let Gulsabiwu be a bit more involved in the show than just DYJ's lackey. Seeing as to the important role he seemed to have in the beginning. Now, it's just dwindled into comical scenes with Sudol. Gom was such a commanding figure at the start of the show, really liked him, how and when did he turn into the third wheel? While it's nice that the show is not 100% serious all the time, it'd also be nice to show the less goofy nature of these men.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Mar 15, 2007 15:24:20 GMT -5
It seems that Gum Mojam, Heuk Sudol, and Gulsabiwu have formed a good team and support system for DJY (D'Artagnon). Whenever Gulsabiwu goes somewhere Heuk is not far behind. They've stopped fighting one another and are on the same team. In spite of Heuk's "hangable offence" it seems that the others have no problem in trusting him. I like this group. Now if only they had been allowed on Bu Kiwon's estate to see the "new men" that had arrived at the gate. Heuk would have identified one or more of them immediately and the course of events would have taken an altogether different turn! I thought Heuk was in true form when he raised his ax with gritted teeth! ;D I couldn't believe they let themselves be turned away! It was so crucial, then DJY shrugged. I expected him to go over the wall and look around. He gave in so easily. Then the wells got poisoned. aigu!
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Post by Nalbal on Mar 15, 2007 17:20:02 GMT -5
Exactly, ginnycat!! When Hong bro' #2 slammed the gate in DJY's face, I thought he'd either break the gate down or scale the walls. But NO...he just sighs a little, shrugs, and walks away. I found it totally unbelievable!
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Post by BungalowDweller on Mar 15, 2007 21:43:19 GMT -5
I actually think that at some point, they need to let these characters go their own separate ways. Sudol has become a joke with his antics. While he is a funny guy and it really provides light humor on the show, sometimes, it gets to also be a bit unnecessary. I wish they'd let Gulsabiwu be a bit more involved in the show than just DYJ's lackey. Seeing as to the important role he seemed to have in the beginning. Now, it's just dwindled into comical scenes with Sudol. Gom was such a commanding figure at the start of the show, really liked him, how and when did he turn into the third wheel? While it's nice that the show is not 100% serious all the time, it'd also be nice to show the less goofy nature of these men. I'd like to see more Gulsabiwu as well. On another thread he was identified as a Manchurian. I'd like to know more about him. Sudol grew as a character when we learned his reasons for becoming a soldier and his desire for revenge against Tang. I agree about Gom. He still retains his bearing and had a good scene when discovering the body of Manchun. I agree that these characters deserve more than they're getting.
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Post by moreshige2 on Mar 16, 2007 2:43:57 GMT -5
I'd like to see more Gulsabiwu as well. On another thread he was identified as a Manchurian. I'd like to know more about him. Sudol grew as a character when we learned his reasons for becoming a soldier and his desire for revenge against Tang. I agree about Gom. He still retains his bearing and had a good scene when discovering the body of Manchun. I agree that these characters deserve more than they're getting. Gulsabiwu wasn't Manchurian because Manchuria didn't exist at that time. Much of the territory that was Barhae (the new Koguryo) was overrun and conquered centuries later and became Manchuria.
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Post by ajk on Mar 16, 2007 12:31:08 GMT -5
Regarding the wells being poisoned--episodes 35 and 36 were very strong but this was the one thing I couldn't swallow, no pun intended. If the city defenses are porous enough to allow Shin and others to get through them (Aren't there walls?) with the Tang army so close, then leaving the water supply unguarded would be a rookie mistake. Not even remotely plausible. Although I suppose if things are that badly managed then no wonder the city's on the verge of ruin.
Still, Pyongyang has one weapon left. The king should go charging through the Tang army, shaking his head back and forth and bludgeoning them all to death with his giant earrings!
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Post by BAE on Mar 16, 2007 12:54:15 GMT -5
I think all this build-up to show the destruction of Goguryeo is quite good. They're balancing what the officials can do to protect it, like DJY and DJS and Sudol and Namseng, etc. but then again they're also displaying a good balance of what is essentially the "Fall of Goguryeo". So, like ajk said, the whole well incident is a good precursor for the eventual demise of this great nation.
LOL @ the king though. I wonder why the Kings wore earrings back in the day? Surely it's more than just for fashion....
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Post by ginnycat5 on Mar 16, 2007 13:25:11 GMT -5
Gulsabiwu or Geol Sa Bi Woo was an elderly man, around Dae Jung Sang's age, probably older, who was leader of the Mohe or Malgal tribe. This tribe's origins lie where Ancient Manchuri once was. So, yes, you can call him a Manchurian. His people are actually considered ancestors of present-day Manchurians and Jurchens, people who were located in northeast China and eastern Siberia. And Balhae was a nation that extended from present-day southern territory of Russia to the south of Manchuria and to the northern parts Korea. So while you are correct about him not being "Manchurian", speaking present-day, it's an important correlation to say that Gulsabiwu was in fact who we know to be Manchurian today. After all, Mohe or Malgal implies relations to Manchurian territory. What's really important is the character we're presented with on the show is a really amiable guy. Shouldn't matter if he's Manchurian or anything else. ;D When you said Jurchen, I had to look up Genghis Khan- and found this. The Khitans get powerful. (btw, Until the Sun Falls by Cecelia Holland is a gripping novel about Genghis Khan.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongols_before_Genghis_Khan
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Post by BungalowDweller on Mar 16, 2007 13:25:28 GMT -5
Gosh, the King's ears must hurt when he removes those clunkers before beddy-bye time! ;D
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Post by BungalowDweller on Mar 17, 2007 21:04:57 GMT -5
Gulsabiwu wasn't Manchurian because Manchuria didn't exist at that time. Much of the territory that was Barhae (the new Koguryo) was overrun and conquered centuries later and became Manchuria. I have also seen Gulsabiwu mentioned as being one of the Malgal people. Did this people-group eventually disappear?
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