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Post by hachiue on Jul 10, 2005 21:40:41 GMT -5
Wow - this was one interesting saga. It's a little expected because of Jiyeun's temper but I don't think Yoonsik knows how to leave things alone. That whole "won't you grow your hair long" and "my (dead) mother thinks you wear slutty clothes" deal was a bit too much. Jiyeun overreacted a little (actually, a lot) with the waiter, I'm assuming because she was angry at Yoonsik. But after he'd already been pestering her he shouldn't have yelled at her to shut up.
It seems like both of them don't know how to leave things alone or make up. And that comment of his - that he's going to wait for a woman who takes marriage more seriously - is laughable. It seems that he'd either get a shrinking violet, and he doesn't seem to like those women, or a woman like Jiyeun who knows how to stand up for herself and will sometimes fly off the handle. (Okay, she does it a lot.)
I can't believe that he's being so cold to her. I think that it might be because he doesn't have much experience with relationships - I mean his familial relationships are all right, but they're all he has. And he didn't seem to fault his grandma when she ran away from grandpa (she did that in the beginning, and it seemed like she had done that before). It seems like she takes it as "lightly" as Jiyeun did.
She definitely went a little too far by saying that they should call it quits; but I do think that she was justified in saying something else to let him know that this was definitely serious. He didn't seem to listen, though, twice earlier that day when she had told him to knock it off with the hair and the clothes.
And he had absolutely no right to tell them to move out; he doesn't own or manage the building, his grandfather does. I'm wondering if this is the end for them but only really feel bad for Jiyeun because her anger and her pride got in the way of her having a relationship (though, judging by his heart-reversal, I'm not sure if it would've been a lasting or good one).
They obviously can't move out because that would foil the whole premise of the show, and Hana would never get together with Hyunsik. I thought that their fight might be over when Jiyeun broke and went to talk to them. I'm worried, instead, that the writers will have her begging for Yoonsik to take her back, and I really hope that won't happen, because it would totally destroy her pride and status within that family forever.
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Post by Redback on Jul 11, 2005 5:27:23 GMT -5
Perhaps Hanna & Sangsik can help put them back together again, maybe? ?
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Post by ovaridedis24 on Jul 11, 2005 9:04:45 GMT -5
And he had absolutely no right to tell them to move out; he doesn't own or manage the building, his grandfather does. I'm wondering if this is the end for them but only really feel bad for Jiyeun because her anger and her pride got in the way of her having a relationship (though, judging by his heart-reversal, I'm not sure if it would've been a lasting or good one). A few episodes back (when Yoon-shik was proposing to Ji-yeun), didn't he say that that apartment that was rented out to the girls belong to him? That once he got married, that he'll be living there? I know he shouldn't be kicking them out just cuz he's angry, but I guess this is why he thinks that he can do that.
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Post by Lucy on Jul 11, 2005 11:46:58 GMT -5
Hachi, I agree with you 100% about Yoon-sik. The new Yoonsik is actually scaring me, to tell you the truth. That he could do such a quick reversal--to go from Giggling, Happy Loverboy to ice-cold anger--is pretty frightening. And I do think it's partly because of his inexperience. His judgment has not been tempered at all; all he has is his ideals, which haven't been confronted with reality up to now. But that he could just drop her as if she's dead to him, ask her to move out, and not have any feeling but anger toward her shows a real flaw in his character, too. How could he treat her so coldly? It's like, "You broke my rule. You are an inferior person. Go away; the sight of you disgusts me now."
I'm glad she made the point that he also deceived her: "You have a stingy heart, but you pretended it was as big as the Pacific Ocean." Stingy is right; there's no room in there for human error, or giving someone a break because you love them, for pete's sake. He says her words show that she takes marriage lightly, and he wants someone who takes marriage seriously, but I personally think he's taking it all TOO seriously. This is not life or death, it's love, and there should be some understanding and flexibility if you really do care for someone.
Whatever happens to them, this was an important fight for them to have. He *was* treating her like a doll he bought, even though he thought he was being reasonable. As if his being such a nice guy most of the time gave him "credit" he could then spend on taking away her personal autonomy. And to be fair, I do think she needs to learn this lesson, too--but she shouldn't be shunned like this.
At any rate, thank heaven for Sang-sik. His lying and saying that the breakup was Yoon-sik's idea was very sensitive and far-sighted. He is right that if the elders knew she said it first, it would be a mark against her that she probably couldn't overcome.
Boo, Yoon-sik. I hope you come to miss that lady good 'n' proper.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jul 11, 2005 21:48:39 GMT -5
All of the above sounds right, but my heart was breaking for Yoonsik.
Also, JY did take the idea of marriage seriously, that's why she said let's call this off (before we make a big mistake). Maybe she meant- let's think about this some more- instead of -forget it-.
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Post by galacticchick on Jul 12, 2005 9:58:00 GMT -5
I can see why Yoonsik was so disappointed by her though. She's been saying all along about how she really hopes their marriage doesn't end up in divorce, etc and he's always telling her that she shouldn't think of their ending before they've even started their beginning. Yes he acted precipitately by telling the elders, but she just kept going on and on. She wanted to mistreat him like she does w/her mother but he wasn't having any of it. Although he was way out of line w/his comment about the way she dresses. She dresses very elegantly when she goes out and any other time she usually wears overalls or really big sweaters so I don't know what he was talking about her showing her feminine curves. Goeun always wears stuff that looks about two sizes too big and I would have gotten irritated by the constant comparisons. "Don't buy this because it will hurt Goeun's feelings, don't have such a lavish wedding, dress more like Goeun, act more like Goeun." Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!
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Post by toranaga on Jul 12, 2005 12:52:53 GMT -5
THE writing and acting in WML has been miles ahead of what we saw in mpc.the last scene of epi.37 when they were leaving the clinic was excellent,I think that the facial expressions of both characters were what you expect from two people in that situation.I like most of the people that saw wml when it orginally aired missed many of the early episodes.THE skills of LEE SEUNG YEON and YOON DA HOON were really on display in the this episode
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Post by Catalpa on Jul 12, 2005 13:32:59 GMT -5
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha! ROTFL!!! That sums it up perfectly! I think they're both stubborn, and I hope that cooler heads will prevail after a good night's rest (or not so good). I also agree with toranaga that this episode showed what excellent actors they are, and I love those shots with both of them, one up close and the other in the background. Also, when he was getting on the elevator the looks on their faces were perfect!!! The look on Jeyieung's face was absolutley heart-wrenching. Now I can't wait until Friday!!! Cheers,
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Post by toranaga on Jul 12, 2005 14:19:47 GMT -5
JIYUEN'S insecurity is understandable after her parents' divorce when she was a child. BUT her fits temper show that she is immature and spoiled,even she professes disdain for the privileges given to the rich,she certainly has the arrogance and elitist attitude of the wealthy.HER total lack of restraint in the restaurant was a big shock to yoonshik,his reaction to the situation seems so true to life of a real person with that type of personality.he seemed to me to be distraught but determined,he has to be in extreme pain.
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Post by galacticchick on Jul 12, 2005 15:02:38 GMT -5
BUT her fits temper show that she is immature and spoiled,even she professes disdain for the privileges given to the rich,she certainly has the arrogance and elitist attitude of the wealthy. ...he has to be in extreme pain. I know, what you mean, especially because she's criticized her mother so much for the exact same attitude. Jiyeun is certainly not a bad person, but her flaw is that she doesn't know when to quit. Hanna was right when she said that she has to win no matter what and this time it's cost her something big. I feel really sorry for poor Yoonsik. He obviously loves her very much but is so disappointed and hurt that she would give up on their relationship so easily. I still wish he would have thought about cooling off before talking to the elders.
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Post by toranaga on Jul 12, 2005 15:26:50 GMT -5
I agree with everything said about the breakup that has been said here but yoonsik should have relented when she came down to the clinic clearly ready to yield to him.HE is also showing some immaturity,his constant moralizing about that one incident was a little to much as jiyuen said,she is an intelligent person,she would have eventually realized she was wrong and not repeated the incident.I know that is not why yoonsik decided not to go ahead with the wedding but it illustrates that what jiyuen said about him buying a doll to play with was a good point.NO matter how right you may be or how much love you have for someone you can not impose your moral values on them,the slave comment she made was also right on point. I GUESS in conclusion i am trying to say that he has a much to reflect on as she does if not more.IF they end up working this out I think they both will have received a very good life lesson about love .
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Post by Lucy on Jul 12, 2005 16:20:43 GMT -5
Some interesting responses here! I'm glad to see so many posts on WML. I have to say I'm not feeling very sorry for Yoonsik, only because he really doesn't seem to be anything other than angry and disappointed, and I can't feel sorry for that. He is not showing any signs of love at the moment; he's just turned into a cold and dismissive man. Maybe regret will come later, but from what I've seen, and what the other characters have said about him, he isn't going to change his mind. He seems like he's going to stand by his decision. . . at least for a long time, I think. Maybe their estrangement and reuniting will be the ongoing issue over the rest of the series. What do you all think? (No spoilers, please!)
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Post by Lucy on Jul 12, 2005 16:23:50 GMT -5
Also, JY did take the idea of marriage seriously, that's why she said let's call this off (before we make a big mistake). Maybe she meant- let's think about this some more- instead of -forget it-. I think you're right, ginnycat. Her constant worrying and going to that thought of "what if we have a bad marriage?" do show that she takes it seriously. She really does not want to get divorced, and she's showing that she's scared about things not working out. But she doesn't know how to deal with these conflicts and so puts it on him, like, "If you can't act right, then maybe we shouldn't get married." I think he's misunderstanding her. And now, having put the worst possible construction on her words because of his own issues, he's not going back on it.
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Post by hachiue on Jul 12, 2005 18:29:26 GMT -5
You guys are ever-so-right. I hadn't thought about the fact that Jiyeun may have been thinking "let's think about it" and phrased it wrong in her anger. I thought it was one of those wake-up phrases that she shouted at him to get the better of him in the fight. But, especially if she had been worrying about it working out, it makes a lot of sense for her to have tried to say that they should wait it out and discuss things before formally committing. I don't remember the dialog - didn't she say something that wasn't as final and Yoonsik interpreted it as calling it quits? I think they translated it as "we should stop the wedding" or "let's not get married" but I don't remember.
Just remember that Marsha's nose was smashed in with a football. Hopefully someone will get a comeuppance here - not Goeun, but possibly those who are her advocates to the extent that they're disenfranchising other family members. (Was it in the real brady bunch or a parody - Simpsons? - where her middle sister - forgot the name - went absolutely psycho about this?)
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jul 12, 2005 21:43:03 GMT -5
Maybe one or more of the elders will talk to Yoonsik about lost loves or huge mistakes/stubbornness or even a trial separation that he had no knowledge of. He just looked so hurt and frozen, carefully holding himself together so he doesn't break into pieces.Hope he softens up soon. Also, Jiyeun didn't look to me that she came to apologize, just five seconds of testing the water and bang, another slam.
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