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Post by galacticchick on Jul 13, 2005 9:25:06 GMT -5
(Was it in the real brady bunch or a parody - Simpsons? - where her middle sister - forgot the name - went absolutely psycho about this?) I believe it was in "The Brady Bunch Movie" where Jan starts hearing all these voices in her head about causing harm to Marsha. This whole situation is certainly a dillie of a pickle as Flanders would say because no one party is less guilty than the other. But one thing is for certain: I would hate to go out with somebody who constantly used the threat of leaving me or calling it quits whenever we argued, I can see why Yoonsik would want to avoid the marriage if he thinks that's how she is going to be. BTW, is it just me or do you all think we are being too harsh on Yoonsik? Seems to me we were willing to laugh off some of Attic Cat's Kyungmin's antics even though they were just as bad as Yoonsiks or worse. Is it because he's cuter? Or am I just imagining and hearing things like Jan?
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Post by Lucy on Jul 13, 2005 10:18:54 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about the fact that Jiyeun may have been thinking "let's think about it" and phrased it wrong in her anger. I thought it was one of those wake-up phrases that she shouted at him to get the better of him in the fight. But, especially if she had been worrying about it working out, it makes a lot of sense for her to have tried to say that they should wait it out and discuss things before formally committing. I don't remember the dialog - didn't she say something that wasn't as final and Yoonsik interpreted it as calling it quits? I think they translated it as "we should stop the wedding" or "let's not get married" but I don't remember. Well, actually I do think she meant it as "let's not get married," like a threat as you suggested. But she didn't really mean it. She was probably trying to scare him into behaving, and he doesn't like to hear marriage talked of like that. I agree she was also at fault, but she wasn't all that wrong. It was a turn of phrase, and he's making too much of it. It would have been better if he had gotten good and mad but not taken her up on the "offer" so readily. Obviously he had been stewing about the way she throws around the idea of breaking up but didn't communicate to her how disturbing he finds it. Gee, this is a really complicated problem! But I don't, in fact, think we're being too hard on Yoonsik, not until I see some evidence that he is thinking better of his actions. If a man could cast me off so suddenly and completely, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him. I know I keep saying this, but that's just plain scary. I certainly wouldn't cotton to being condemned so thoroughly for a human foible that happened to push his buttons. It's like he pulled a lever and, whoosh, through the trap door goes Jiyeun like a factory reject. About her going down to see him and whether she was keeping an open mind--even though Hanna told her a couple of times that she really has done it now, and that her chances of getting married now look slim-to-none, I think she didn't quite believe it until she went down to see Yoonsik at Not-So-Happy House. She still thought they could talk through it, and I think she might have apologized or at least done her part to smooth things over. (I don't actually think either one of them did anything to apologize for per se.) But she was shocked to see that he had changed completely toward her, and it took her a couple of minutes to really realize it. That's when she lashed back at him. But she was still trying to talk to him, even as the elevator doors closed on her. And that's why I blame Yoonsik more--he doesn't even want to try to work through this. He's decided that a person who could do XYZ is not the person for him, even though he has no understanding of why she would say that. Here he is growing up the beloved grandson in a very integrated and mutually dependent family. Here she is, the only child of a demanding and independent mother. Who is it that has a right to have screwed-up thinking about marriage, having no experience of a loving and close family life like his? Poor Jiyeun. She is hard to take, but she's also misunderstood because of her haughty manner. This incident would have gone a long way toward making her see that she needs to tone it down, but Yoonsik is not going to be anywhere near her to observe that change. He threw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Post by galacticchick on Jul 13, 2005 11:45:35 GMT -5
He threw the baby out with the bathwater. Ouch! Poor baby, somebody call DCFS!
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Post by Soju on Jul 13, 2005 21:15:45 GMT -5
A very cute episode of 'Rugrats' told the story of Passover, with the bratty three-year-old as the Pharoh. After she lets the Hebrews/"Babies" go, she decides she want's a nice bath to get over it. "Bring me a hot bath!"
"Your highness, you expelled the slave in charge of that."
"What??! I threw out the Baby with the bathwater?!!" ;D
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Post by TheBo on Jul 14, 2005 12:07:55 GMT -5
Aside from Soju's story, I think the funny part of this thread is that Hachuie wants Hana to take Hyun-sik away from Goeun. Hah, hah. She's the Evil Woman, you'd think she'd be more protective of a fellow newlywed! Hah, hah, haaaah... (See Hachuie's original post)
Okay, I think they're both (YS & JE) difficult people and that they both need to learn how to talk to each other. In light of his idealistic image of both marriage and Jiyeun, it doesn't seem odd to me that he'd blow up at her over her mistreatment of an underling and her apparent willingness to break up. (Although she certainly has reiterated constantly that marriage is forever for her.) And remember, they had just been to visit the grave of his beloved mother, whom he idolizes above all other women, who died laughing, and delivered her last child with a willing sacrifice of her own life, for pity's sake. How could Jiyeun live up to that?
Bo
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Post by galacticchick on Jul 14, 2005 12:39:30 GMT -5
A very cute episode of 'Rugrats' told the story of Passover, with the bratty three-year-old as the Pharoh. After she lets the Hebrews/"Babies" go, she decides she want's a nice bath to get over it. "Bring me a hot bath!" "Your highness, you expelled the slave in charge of that." "What??! I threw out the Baby with the bathwater?!!" ;D Ahhh! That makes a lot more sense now. BTW--Whatever happened to the Rugrats? Do they still show their cartoons?
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Post by galacticchick on Jul 14, 2005 12:40:51 GMT -5
And remember, they had just been to visit the grave of his beloved mother, whom he idolizes above all other women, who died laughing, and delivered her last child with a willing sacrifice of her own life, for pity's sake. How could Jiyeun live up to that? Bo Good point, I hadn't thought of that. She has some enormous shoes to try and fill.
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Post by hachi on Jul 15, 2005 0:15:42 GMT -5
Aside from Soju's story, I think the funny part of this thread is that Hachuie wants Hana to take Hyun-sik away from Goeun. Hah, hah. She's the Evil Woman, you'd think she'd be more protective of a fellow newlywed! Hah, hah, haaaah... (See Hachuie's original post) Bo Blargh, so I still mess up their names. Come to think of it, that would be a funny sight. Alas, I meant to say Sangsik. Speaking of the laughing-while-dying mother, I love how everyone's comparing Hana to her. But then they go one to say how Hana's mysteriously not as good as the mother.
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Post by Soju on Jul 15, 2005 13:10:16 GMT -5
Whatever happened to the Rugrats? Do they still show their cartoons? They came up with a new show, where the Rugrats are teenagers in high school. What were they thinking
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Post by hachiue on Jul 16, 2005 15:45:29 GMT -5
They were thinking "how can we make some money with the least amount of effort?" Or they were just thinking.
The downfall of anything good is when tv execs start to think.
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