Choko
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Post by Choko on Sept 28, 2005 8:59:22 GMT -5
I think ep. 95 will be on the air in Chicago today or tomorrow, so I decided to post the following visual summary in advance. (Recently I don't have enough time to post pictures on this board. ) The visual summary of ep. 95 (just before the battle of Myoungryang) Yi Sun-shin : "I still have 12 ships, Your majesty. If I'm here, the enemy can not have an eye on the sea." "What a cheek! ... No, he can't. It's impossible" Meanwhile, Yi Young-nam brought a gift from blacksmiths to Yi Sun-shin. It was a new sword on which its name was carved. The 8 Chinese letters mean "Once this sword is brandished, the blood will dye the rivers and mountains red" (* I love the conversation between Yi Young-nam and Yi Sun-shin about the name of the sword. It is so poetic. Those lines came from novel "Song of the sword" on which this drama is based. ) On the contrary, I hate the scene of Wakizaka and his white cat. Although the cat played the role of a clock at that time, Wakizaka's stupid guestures (in particular some cruel action to his cat) made the scene hard to watch. The iron chain theory has been popular among the Korean public for a long time, but almost every historians say that it is not authentic. The drama writer said in an interview that she adopted the theory to make the story of the miraculous battle (13 Chosunese ships won a victory against 333 Japanese ships!) more persuasive and more plausible. The man who wants revenge for his brother's death is Kurujima Michihusa. He is the younger brother of Kurujima Michiyuki who was killed by Kwon Jun's arrow at the battle of Dahnghanpo in 1592. Kurujima Michiyuki (elder brother, in 1592) Kurujima Michihusa (youger brother with odd eyes, in 1597) They were played by the same actor. The actor who played Kurujima Michiyuki (the elder) was quite popular among Korean IYSS fans, so the director of IYSS decided to bring him back as Kurujima Michihusa (the younger). (Nice joke, director. ;D )
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Post by chigirl68 on Sept 28, 2005 9:40:18 GMT -5
Thank you Choko. We saw this episode last night. It's is going to be a long week until the next episode on Monday!
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Post by TheBo on Sept 28, 2005 10:05:22 GMT -5
Oh, thanks so much, Choko. I especially liked the part about the double-role-playing actor. This director seems especially fond of such tricks.
Am I able to learn yet what happens with Mi-jin's daughter?
Bo
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Sept 28, 2005 18:06:01 GMT -5
Well, if an iron chain wasn't used, then how did he win?... the actual battle airs this weekend in NJ silly Kurujima. it's too bad he will die a painful, horrible agonizing, bloody death with a humiliated fleet.
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Post by blanc on Sept 28, 2005 20:09:15 GMT -5
Looks like this will be an interesting episode when it comes. But i noticed something. Doesn't this picture remind you of James bond movies? Doctor Noe just modified your img link chigirl
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Post by Eowyn on Sept 29, 2005 7:46:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Choko, for your lively picture narration! I had thought that the Kurijima brothers looked identical! Bo - that would be Ron Howard's brother, right? PS edit - Choko, did you say that the cat was used as a clock?
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Post by florel on Sept 29, 2005 9:03:42 GMT -5
Am I able to learn yet what happens with Mi-jin's daughter? In a thread dedicated to Episode 40, I wrote that... "The dialogue between Mrs. Yi and Cho-hee allows me to guess that the scenarist would not develop a romance. It's maternal affection that is accentuated. I like to see the development of woman-woman relation (female solidarity) rather than woman-man relation {it might have been a boring garbage in this case}."Now I'm sure that the scenarists had already decided to drop Chohee (Mijin's daughter) at this moment. Her last appearance was in Ep. 41 and I remember, from that time, a name of female writer (not the actual main writer) disappeared in the opening. **I guess** she would have taken a main responsibility for Mijin & Chohee part. IYSS became popular in Korea after Episodes 40's when YSS became a navy commander and, coincidently, when Chohee was dropped out. Looks like this will be an interesting episode when it comes. But i noticed something. Doesn't this picture remind you of James bond movies? Doctor Noe How about this ?
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Post by chigirl68 on Sept 29, 2005 9:12:36 GMT -5
florel that is too funny. Isn't that Dr. Claw and M.A.D. Cat?
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Post by florel unlogged on Sept 29, 2005 9:20:16 GMT -5
florel that is too funny. Isn't that Dr. Claw and M.A.D. Cat? Yep ! ;D Many Koreans of my generation would think of Dr. Claw and M.A.D. Cat when they see Wakisaka with his cat. Inspector Gadget was very popular in South Korea when I was young, in 80's.
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Post by chigirl68 on Sept 29, 2005 9:23:35 GMT -5
florel that is too funny. Isn't that Dr. Claw and M.A.D. Cat? Yep ! ;D Many Koreans of my generation would think of Dr. Claw and M.A.D. Cat when they see Wakisaka with his cat. Inspector Gadget was very popular in South Korea when I was young, in 80's. Oh I luved Insp. Gadget in the 80's too. I never saw the movie. Probably because I did not think it could live up to the cartoon.
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Post by florel on Sept 29, 2005 10:52:47 GMT -5
Oh I luved Insp. Gadget in the 80's too. I never saw the movie. Probably because I did not think it could live up to the cartoon. It was a legendary cartoon ! What a sense of humor ! I'm suspecting if the writers, who seem to be slightly older than me, were also great admirer of Gadget and made a parody. I didn't see the movie, either. It seemed to be bad because I read critical and negative reviews everywhere. On the contrary, I hate the scene of Wakizaka and his white cat. Although the cat played the role of a clock at that time, Wakizaka's stupid guestures (in particular some cruel action to his cat) made the scene hard to watch. We can tell it to Brigitte Bardot, the "animal rights activist". She will certainly send a protesting letter to Mr. Wakizaka !
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Post by TheBo on Sept 29, 2005 14:47:18 GMT -5
Aigu, Eowyn, you are right--it's Ron Howard's brother again! Hah!
Florel and Chigirl, I LOVED Inspector Gadget the cartoon. It was so SILLY and fun. I saw about 5 minutes of the movie--pathetic. You missed not a thing. I think Cree Summer was the voice of the TV niece (she does a lot of US cartoon voices, especially spunky young girls; she starred as one of the college students on "A Different World"--the "Cosby Show" spinoff). I also love the Jackie Chan cartoons for the same reason; they are completely ridiculous. Are there any "Pinky and the Brain" fans here? What about that British cartoon with the racecar-driving dog?
I think this was the episode I recorded yesterday afternoon, and it looked like my little antenna got joggled so it may not have come in very well. I will have to see. Bummer--I checked it just before it started, but my boss doesn't like me standing in there moving the antenna around when I'm supposed to be working. (What a disappointment he has been, LOL.) I'm glad I have this little thread to reference, Choko--you've saved me again.
Bo
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Post by chigirl68 on Sept 29, 2005 15:00:07 GMT -5
Bo. I luv so many cartoons. I too like the Jackie Chan cartoon as well as Xiolin showdown and Mucha Lucha (one of my nicknames comes from that show). I liked Pinky and the Brain too. I still have a T-shirt that I bought from Great America years ago. I had 2 pet white mice named Pinky and the Brain. One was long and skinny and the other short and chubby.
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Choko
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Post by Choko on Oct 1, 2005 7:41:13 GMT -5
Am I able to learn yet what happens with Mi-jin's daughter? Bo Cho-hee, Mijin's daughter, does not appear any longer. Bo. In the novel "Immortality" Chohee is a kind of Nightingale-type figure who takes care of wounded people regardless of their nationality. She leaves YSS before the first battle (Okpo) and meets him again just before the last battle (Noryang). That is, Chohee and YSS are not lovers in the novel. Instead of YSS, some Japanese Samurais such as Konishi Yukinaga and Kato Kiyomasa have some feeling for her. (Especially Konishi has sympathy for her as a Christian) In the drama, well... the drama writer wanted to describe Chohee not as a Nightingale but as a Jeanne d'Arc (Joan Of Arc) or a Damo (=female warrior or spy) working with Gong Tae-won and Nalbal. In addition, there would have been some slight romance between Yi Sun-shin, Chohee, and Nalbal. YSS misses his long lost lover (Mijin) and takes care of her daughter (Chohee). Cho-hee who is starved of affection feels for YSS and helps him, and Nalbal loves Chohee knowing who she loves. That's the way this drama planned to go. However, conservative Korean fans who regard the feeling between Chohee and YSS as incest(!) continued to bash the writer and director as well as the actress. As a result, Chohee was deserted. I think she acted far better than Yeon-hwa (YSS's wife), but most Korean fans loved YSS's wife blindly while they hated Chohee. The same case was applied to Chung-hyang, Jin (the female physician), Chun-soo, Hong (Akai), and Mujik. Some frantic Korean fans wanted to remove such fictional characters from the show and continued to fill the official board with bashing about them. (They hated your favorite character Chung-hyang because she was fictional, Bo) That's why those characters disappeared suddenly. In conclusion, the drama writer failed to make her fictional characters loved by the TV viewers, and the Korean public did not want to see any fictional character in the show. That's all. Well, if an iron chain wasn't used, then how did he win?... It is one of the great mysteries in Korean history. YSS did not write in his diary that he used iron chain for the battle. His report to the King about the Myoungryang battle is not existing now. (Chosun dynasty chronicles quotes other minister's brief comment about the victory, not YSS's report.) However, it is true that 13 Korean ships won against over 300 Japanese ships because there were hundreds of common people witnessing the battle from nearby mountains or coasts. Unfortunately, there is no record to verify the use of iron chain except some folk tales. Her last appearance was in Ep. 41 and I remember, from that time, a name of female writer (not the actual main writer) disappeared in the opening. **I guess** she would have taken a main responsibility for Mijin & Chohee part. Florel, the female writers did not disappear. In fact, IYSS has been written by 4 writers led by a woman named Yun Seon-ju. KBS started to eliminate some of their names from around ep 41, because some people criticized that the drama had too many writers. (They didn't know that it was very common for a drama to be written by multiple writers. The Great Jang-geum had 3~4 writers although the opening title showed only one name) From then on, KBS has showed only one name, Yun Seon-ju, and eliminated the name of other assistant writers although they were still doing their work. Ironically, some sexist Korean fans started to bash the female writer on the official board because they thought that women are not adequate to write a historical drama. They didn't know that IYSS was being written by 4 writers including male writers. PS edit - Choko, did you say that the cat was used as a clock? Yes, the cat was used as a clock. The torrent of Myoungryang will become favorable for the Chosunese at 1 p.m. The battle began at 11 a.m. That is, the torrent is now favorable for the Japanese. YSS's fleet has to stand in the way until the change of the stream. (for 2 hours) On the contrary, the Japanese should break through the line before 1 p.m. The Chosun navy, on the land, uses sundial. Meanwhile, the Japanese navy uses cats as their clock. The dilation of the cat's pupil (at sunrise or sunset) The contraction of the cat's pupil (at noon)
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Post by florel unlogged on Oct 1, 2005 8:58:08 GMT -5
Ironically, some sexist Korean fans started to bash her on the official board because they though women are not adequate to write a historical drama. They didn't know that it was being written by 4 writers including male writers. I thought their sexist attitude was disgusting even though I was not fond of IYSS writers (in their collectivity). They did good work for emotionally intense passages, but they were ill at some historical dry passages (for example, in Episodes 98-99). Choko, I partly agree with you that Yunwha's acting was not very good, in earlier episodes. I remember I complained about her unnatural make up. Her acting became much better after Ep. 30's along with her make up. On the other hand, I really disliked Mijin & Chohee's modern vocalization even though the actress had good facial expressions. And what did happen to Chunsu, Mujik and Hong in the novel ? Could you please tell us about them in the thread concerning Chunsu ? I'm wondering about their fates. Even though they were hated by everyone, they formed a formidable entertaining internatioanl evil squad !
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