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Post by moreshige unlogged on Oct 1, 2005 11:23:31 GMT -5
thanks choko for the info! but as far as inspector gadget....the guy who did his voice passed away a couple of days ago. i think he was 86. He also played a character named "Max" in that 60's spy series, "Get Smart". I guess he was chosen for inspector gadget because of his previous role. sad day
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Post by Alexa on Oct 1, 2005 11:57:35 GMT -5
I just watched this episode today, and all I can say is I cannot wait til Monday ;D
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Oct 1, 2005 19:43:25 GMT -5
woo ep. 96, the actual battle, in less than half an hour for me perhaps I'll be inspired, awed, and brought to tears.
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Post by Alexa on Oct 1, 2005 21:09:27 GMT -5
From the previews it looked like YSS was actually going to be sword fighting with the Japanese soldiers, which means the Japanese end up boarding his ship. How he defeats them, now thats what I want to see.
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Post by TheBo on Oct 2, 2005 16:09:13 GMT -5
...but as far as inspector gadget....the guy who did his voice passed away a couple of days ago. i think he was 86. He also played a character named "Max" in that 60's spy series, "Get Smart". I guess he was chosen for inspector gadget because of his previous role. sad day Yes, the great Don Adams played Maxwell Smart on "Get Smart," the satirical spy comedy from the '60s. (He has said his delivery on that show and later was a takeoff on the style of old-time movie actor William Powell.) He did a lot of voiceover work, including the cartoon character Tennessee Tuxedo (a penguin), with his bumbling friend, Chumley the walrus. I had not realized he had passed, moreshige. It makes me sad, too. Bo
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Oct 2, 2005 17:06:25 GMT -5
I believe the narrator and the text say that Yi's men killed 18,000 soldiers but I think that's a wide exaggeration. and I read here that Dodo was also injured.
Did Yi have to behead one of his own men to make them stop wetting their pants?
So many uncertainties...
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Post by florel on Oct 2, 2005 18:14:25 GMT -5
I believe the narrator and the text say that Yi's men killed 18,000 soldiers but I think that's a wide exaggeration. I also think it's exaggerated. I read in several pages that the number of the Japanese dead is assumed about 8,000-9,000. and I read here that Dodo was also injured. I read it in Korean secondary infos (not in a primary source). I wish Choko or other Japanese history experts would confirm or refute it. (Skinz, where are you ?) In the drama, Todo (=Dodo) commands the Japanese fleet in the Sea Battle of Jeol-yi Island (July 1598). But if I'm not wrong, he didn't participated in this battle and he had already returned to Japan. Did Yi have to behead one of his own men to make them stop wetting their pants? I never heard that Admiral YSS would have beheaded one of men in the Battle of Myungryang or in other battles. (He executed deserters. But it was before or after battle actions.) I read again his Diary and his biography written by his nephew. But no mention of it. If anyone can find a primary source which is giving this episode, please let me know it.
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Post by florel on Oct 2, 2005 21:13:59 GMT -5
I believe the narrator and the text say that Yi's men killed 18,000 soldiers but I think that's a wide exaggeration. I also think it's exaggerated. I read in several pages that the number of the Japanese dead is assumed about 8,000-9,000. I verified the scenario. They didn't say that YSS killed 18,000 Japanese soldiers. What they exactly said is that 92 Japanese vessels lost their function as warship (so seriously damaged) and 18,466 Japaneses were defeated (along with 31 ships sunk) in the Battle of Myungryang. Therefore 18,466 refer to the Japanese forces, not to the number of death. In other secondary sources I read, they assume that the Japanese forces in Myungryang would be 20,000-30,000. And the number of Japanese vessels could be more than 333. In the Admiral's biography, his nephew wrote that "On this day the war refugees on high mountains looked down on the sea and counted up to three hundred enemy vessels, then lost count of those sailing behind, because there were so many of them that they filled the sea, against only a dozen of our ships." So the Chosunese gave up counting after 300 or 333.
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Oct 2, 2005 22:07:01 GMT -5
lol that sounds kinda funny.
"330, 331, 332...333......ah screw it!"
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Post by Trespasser on Oct 3, 2005 10:08:43 GMT -5
I don't think there was any sexist intentions; remember that 90% of drama script writers are women, it is a female dominated business and everybody knows that. That does not prevent fans from criticizing a poorly-written and historically inaccurate script, which clearly was the case with Immortal YSS.
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Post by Trespasser on Oct 3, 2005 10:11:53 GMT -5
Writing script for a historical epic is different from writing script for a casual trendy drama and requires a higher level of knowledge and skill set; the IYSS writer just wasn't fit for this kind of writing.
This is the reason the script market for historical dramas are dominated by men with 20~30 year experiences.
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Post by Trespasser on Oct 3, 2005 10:14:21 GMT -5
When a show is criticized by fans, the criticisms are usually directed at inexperienced actors, sometimes the director, but rarely at the script writer.
IYSS was one such rare case where the script writer was blamed as the source of trouble.
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Post by skinz on Oct 3, 2005 12:21:53 GMT -5
Well, in my opinion, the script in the beginning of the show wasn't bad at all. Boring? yes, but not down right horrible. If Cho-Hee became a warrior or something and helped out Nabal to get info on the japanese I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. Hell, she could've had YSS baby for all I cared. MY problem is the sudden dropping of characters. Granted I wanted the misadventures of Chun-su and company to end, but at least tell us what happen to them. The fictional characters didn't hurt the drama series, the dropping of them did.
Fans could criticize and bash whoever they want, but to have such an affect on someone job that their work is being toyed with because a couple of angry fans are upset is something the company really need to fix ASAP. I now feel sorry for the script writer because she didn't even get the chance to let her characters develop.
Hope she bounces back.
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Post by Eowyn on Oct 3, 2005 13:17:04 GMT -5
Choko, thanks so much for explaining about the Japanese "cat clock." How fascinating! You are a wealth of knowledge!
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Post by BungalowDweller on Oct 5, 2005 7:49:20 GMT -5
What fascinating info about the cat's eyes! Was this common knowledge during this period of time? I was wondering why the cat was on board. . . and thanks /choko for the info!
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