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Post by 20 on Sept 16, 2005 17:41:49 GMT -5
I dunno if anyone knows about wikipedia.org but wiki is a great online encyclopedia that anyone can make articles on. en.wikipedia.org/Check out the selected anniversaries on the bottom. Guess whose name is there? |
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Post by florel on Sept 16, 2005 18:49:48 GMT -5
Oh, i've forgotten the Battle of Myungryang was held on the 16th September 1597. Helas, guys, it's a lunar date ! But who cares ! We can commemorate it today, though. It's too complicated to make a transition between lunar and solar dates of four hundred years ago. BTW, I visited the Wiki site today to research and to verify some detailed infos for writing my "History & fiction" thread. I didn't read yet all of them, but I found a bad influence of the drama in an article concerning the 1st Battle of Jinju. The Wiki encyclopedist of the Jinju part certainly referred to the drama instead of a history book. The 1st Battle of Jinju in Wikipedia1. Wakizaka Yasuharu was not the chief Japanese commander of the 1st Battle of Jinju. he even didn't participated in it if I'm not wrong. The Japanese Commander was Nagaoka Tadaoki (aka Hosokawa Tadaoki). 2. In real history, Gwak Jae-Woo didn't arrive in the end of the battle. The military action of milita troops continued outside of Jinju Castle during the whole battle days. 3. The Japanese lost about 20,000 troops out of 30,000. The lost of the Chosunese is unknown. This battle was the most huge defeat of the Japanese on land. Cf. Kim Shi-Min's tactics shown in the drama are accurate. (the flute musician, lanterns on the river, women disguised as men... etc.) |
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Post by Aging Warrior on Sept 17, 2005 7:18:21 GMT -5
Anyone can edit wikipedia so you can not depend on the info there. You can make corrections there.
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Post by A hero wont die unless willing on Sept 17, 2005 18:40:00 GMT -5
Anyone can edit wikipedia so you can not depend on the info there. You can make corrections there. Thats correct. I know i had to correct some articles in wikipedia before. Sadly they can be edited again with false info. I guess the motto is, be cautious with everything you read. Especialy if the information is editable by the public.  |
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Sept 17, 2005 21:14:39 GMT -5
Whether Wikipedia is distorted or not, there's a decent article on the Admiral himself. Regardless of bias, I don't think anyone can write that without being impressed by his greatness...
I quote something from the article by Admiral Ballard:
"His whole career might be summarized by saying that, although he had no lessons from past history to serve as a guide, he waged war on the sea as it should be waged if it is to produce definite results, and ended by making the supreme sacrifice of a defender of his country."
23 victories, 0 defeats; hundreds of Japanese ships sunk; thousands dead. This is the legacy of Admiral Yi Sun Shin.
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Post by ronin on Sept 18, 2005 9:48:53 GMT -5
Yeah they have a lot of articles and info on the Imjin War, Sengoku Jidai, and Chosun Dynasty. But Wikipedia is not a good source. Anyone can edit out, delete, or write info that can be a bit false. Some of these “editors” can be questionable because they might not be college professors, Ph.D. writers, government officials, or scientists. The writer might be a high school kid that might have an interest in a certain subject. However, they sometimes do post links to official sources that you can check out. I would check Amazon.com to look for Yi Soon Shin’s logs/journals that are recent publications (they might call him Yi Sun Sin or I Sun Shin) or look for books written by Stephen Turnbull who wrote books about Samurais, Naval Warfare/technology in Asia, and the Imjin Wars. *edit* Stephen Turnbull's books(click here)Yi Soon Shin's log book(click here) -> I never bought from this store so I can't really vouch for it. |
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Post by TheBo on Sept 18, 2005 20:44:43 GMT -5
Wikipedia, to me, is a starting point. Sometimes, if you have NO idea of something, you can get a clue there and then be better able to search for further info.
Bo
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Post by florel on Sept 19, 2005 19:30:55 GMT -5
I gave Wiki links in my postings when I thought them reliable. I can verify Wiki infos on Korean history, but I have more problems regarding to Japanese history. I mentioned about the Jinju article, because I found it especially scandalous (referring to a drama as a historical source) and I wanted to warn false infos on Wiki. But all of you seem to have already known it. . About YSS article in French Wiki, I found a funny mistake. The writer wrote the Battle of Noryang as "the Battle of No Ryang Chin". No Ryang Chin (aka Noryangjin) is a toponym in Seoul.  I corrected this fault, but we don't know if No Ryang Chin would return. I also made various kind of mistakes when I wrote on this forum and I continued to make a correction. BTW, I found the solar date of the Battle of Myungryang. It was held on the 26th October 1597 in solar calendar. |
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Post by Daemado on Sept 20, 2005 22:16:55 GMT -5
Who needs Wikipedia when we have florel, Choko et al?
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Post by judyk86 on Sept 21, 2005 10:19:32 GMT -5
You're right. The chief Japanese commander of the 1st Battle of Jinju was Nagaoka Tadaoki, and Kim Shi-Min Kim Chung-Mu Gong died a few days after he was shot by gun. That's the true history.
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Post by florel on Sept 21, 2005 13:47:08 GMT -5
Thanks, judyk, for the confirmation.
About the date of Kim Shi-Min's death, there are two different arguments. Korean primary sources give different dates : 18 October 1592 or 26 December 1592.
IMO, the 18th October is more convincing.
lol, Daemado, we are flattered.
I've been studying the Imjin War history since I had started viewing this drama. I'd like to share it with those who want to know the history but who cannot read Korean (especially with Korean descendants in foreign lands). I guess what I'm writing is not interesting for foreigners (except few history maniacs), because it's filled with too many difficult proper names and toponyms.
Anyway, I'm thinking I'm posting too much. Certainly there would people who are tired of viewing my name on the forum. ;D
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Post by TheBo on Sept 21, 2005 14:17:29 GMT -5
Non, nyet, amiga mia. Postum ad infinitumis. Librarious librariumis needus us-o florelium. Bo |
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Post by florel on Sept 21, 2005 14:25:45 GMT -5
Gratias ago, Bo. Semper pro tui in gratia Dei, amiga mia. - floreliana |
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 21, 2005 14:29:40 GMT -5
Non, nyet, amiga mia. Postum ad infinitumis. Librarious librariumis needus us-o florelium. Bo annyo, annee meeda (I think) , I agree with Bo. |
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Post by moreshige unlogged on Sept 21, 2005 15:38:56 GMT -5
don't stop posting, florel.....you're too valuable! at least we have all the info here archived for everyone's knowledge and pleasure.
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