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Post by moreshige unlogged on Sept 21, 2005 15:40:13 GMT -5
i wish i could come here more often, like i used to...  |
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Post by TheBo on Sept 21, 2005 15:42:47 GMT -5
HAH! MY EVIL PLAN HAS SUCCEEDED! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA choke cough...
D'oh! Moreshige has not fallen under the spelling. Back to the old drawering board....
Bo
PS - WE LOVE FLOREL! WE LOVE CHOKO! POST POST P-POST POST POST POST POST POST! (This last portion of our program must be marched in time to the rhythm of the Chosun foot soldier.)
Thank you.
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Post by TheBo on Sept 21, 2005 15:44:20 GMT -5
i wish i could come here more often, like i used to... We love you too, dear.  Why are you absent? Have you much schooling? Whenever you can appear, we are happy to see you. Everyone else, too. Hm. Bo PS - I just noticed that it looks like I am accusing you of being undereducated, rather than asking if you are taking classes and therefore too busy. I guess I should knock off the soju at lunch, LOL. |
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Post by florel unlogged on Sept 21, 2005 16:18:37 GMT -5
Ginny : Are you studying Korean ? Wow ! I wish you would be able to read Admiral YSS's biography in Korean very soon.  Bo : I obey you, Moderatrice. LOL Moreshige : We miss you, More. |
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 21, 2005 16:46:10 GMT -5
Yes, in a way, Florel. When I start recognizing a word, I write it down (usually on a scrap of paper or back of an envelope  -not very organized). Sometimes when I try to look it up in my tiny dictionary, it isn't there. Like, Borah!!!! said by a general, but morah was there, so it's pretty tricky for me. Also yes is yeh, neh, and deh -? I think the consonants are not the same as English, maybe. I have lessons on tape that are waiting for me to start again, too. It's wonderful how much history you know. I'm in awe! |
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Post by florel on Sept 21, 2005 17:30:08 GMT -5
I'm just a maniac of historical dramas. And I've always studied history on the background when I was viewing a historical or a pseudo-historical drama (Korean, European or others...). I think Korean would be very upsetting language for foreigners. There are so many adjectives and adverbs along with irregular forms. The pronunciation is not easy because of double or triple consonants. I can speak Korean because I learned it when I was young. But if I was not Korean, certainly I would have felt it extremely difficult. You cannot find "Bo-rah" in dictionary. You have to search its infinitive form "Bo-da". I was thinking I spoke Korean very well. But, now, I have many problems with Korean slangs. They are often incomprehensible ! Sometimes I cried : "It's not Korean at all !" And, recently, I also found another disturbing problem. I had no problem to understand IYSS, but I have more difficulties to understand modern K-Dramas. I guess it's because of bad articulation of young actors.  P.-S. Good luck in your Korean study, Ginny. Bon courage ! |
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 21, 2005 19:46:54 GMT -5
In my dictionary, "mworago" is the transliteration of "What did you say?" Maybe they sometimes shorten it to "Mwora!!" (said by an indignant king or general)? I completely missed the "w" sound. And there's no "B" in the dictionary. sob, sob. :'-( It's kind of fun, in a headbanging way. Especially with some help from kindly people like you.  |
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Post by TheBo on Sept 21, 2005 21:56:49 GMT -5
...You cannot find "Bo-rah" in dictionary. You have to search its infinitive form "Bo-da".... Aigu! That is NOT intuitive. I'll have to speak to someone about this (LOL). Ginny, your industry is legendary. I think in another thread you said you are building hanbok; you are truly a dedicated Korean-o-phile. It amazes me the number of people on this board trying to learn Korean and learn about Korea. Florel, you don't get any praise. You are Korean and I will ignore any difficulty you have, because you just should do that stuff. (I'm kidding. Don't send angry letters on Florel's behalf.) Oh, well, okay, you get extra credit for the French stuff... Bo |
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Post by florel unlogged on Sept 22, 2005 7:10:00 GMT -5
...You cannot find "Bo-rah" in dictionary. You have to search its infinitive form "Bo-da".... Aigu! That is NOT intuitive. I'll have to speak to someone about this (LOL). intuitive or infinitive ? What's your grammatical term for "Bo-da" ("to see") ? "Borah" is an imperative. I'm thinking to send you a protesting PM. ;D (I'm kidding, me too.) Sometimes it's difficult to understand a language - more better to speak a conversation (in Korean, French, English, Sanskrit or others) if you are off the context. In my dictionary, "mworago" is the transliteration of "What did you say?" Maybe they sometimes shorten it to "Mwora!!" (said by an indignant king or general)? Yes, you're right, Ginny. I guess its dialect in Cholla province is "mworagora". In IYSS drama, Song Hui-Rip (YSS's staff officer) shouted "mworagora !?" when he is angry or bewildered. I found it amusing. |
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Post by TheBo on Sept 22, 2005 9:31:40 GMT -5
No, florel, I did mean intuitive, not infinitive. This is a sort of a riff (joke) on the American way of looking at other cultures. If it is not intuitive to US (us, not U.S., LOL), we believe there MUST BE something wrong with it and it should be "fixed" (repaired). You are right about conversational vs institutional (is that a good comparitive?) language. It's easier to learn something if you speak it with other people, rather than just seeing it on the page. So, I've decided to take away your extra credit for the French stuff. Bo |
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Post by florel on Sept 22, 2005 11:11:11 GMT -5
No, florel, I did mean intuitive, not infinitive. This is a sort of a riff (joke) on the American way of looking at other cultures. If it is not intuitive to US (us, not U.S., LOL), we believe there MUST BE something wrong with it and it should be "fixed" (repaired). Bo, I see what I misunderstood and why. It's because it cannot be "not intuitive" to me. It's perfectly intuitive. (LOL) Anyway, IMO, Korean is an illogical language as much as French. You have to feel it instead of analyzing it. The most logical language is certainly Latin. Too logical ! Ginny, are you making a Hanbok ? Wow !  I cannot.  Will you make YSS's uniform ? ;D |
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 22, 2005 11:52:48 GMT -5
Florel, the word that was puzzling me is what the superior shouts when he is indignant, shocked, angry, offended i.e.: "How DARE they do that?" When someone snaps it out, it sometimes sounds like BORAH but I guess it begins with the letter M. The lips are in the same position for M and B. I started making a court lady's jacket, but I had to put away the project when company was coming, and I haven't looked at it for a year I'm not that great at sewing straight, so getting that white strip on the collar worries me a bit. It won't be fancy, no embroidery, but I do want to put in a pocket on the lining. I lengthened the Folkways pattern, so the court lady style jacket could be worn with other clothes, perhaps. (I'm counting my chickens before they hatch ) |
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Post by florel on Sept 22, 2005 13:21:33 GMT -5
Florel, the word that was puzzling me is what the superior shouts when he is indignant, shocked, angry, offended i.e.: "How DARE they do that?" When someone snaps it out, it sometimes sounds like BORAH but I guess it begins with the letter M. The lips are in the same position for M and B. It's "mwora", Ginny. You're right to note that the lips are in the identical position for M and B. I offer you a short free Korean lesson. ;D mwora ! : How DARE they (or you) do that ! / What did you say ? - indignation, astonishment, etc., only uttered by superiors, an archaic language. Please not tell it to your parents. ;D mworago ? : What did you say ? - modern language mworagoyo ? : What did you say ? - more polite form than "mworago" mworago hashyeot seumnika ? : What did you say ? - extremely polite expression (I felt difficulty to romanize it. ) mworagora ? : What did you say ? - dialect in Cholla province, told by Kim Wan and Song Hui-Rip for example. bora : violet Cf. synonym - borasaek, borabit borah ! : "Look !" - imperative of "boda" (to see, to look). I started making a court lady's jacket, but I had to put away the project when company was coming, and I haven't looked at it for a year I'm not that great at sewing straight, so getting that white strip on the collar worries me a bit. It won't be fancy, no embroidery, but I do want to put in a pocket on the lining. I lengthened the Folkways pattern, so the court lady style jacket could be worn with other clothes, perhaps. (I'm counting my chickens before they hatch ) You're very talented, Ginny. I'll certainly sew my fingers instead of cloths. Good work ! |
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 22, 2005 14:28:45 GMT -5
Thank you, Florel!! This is a big help. |
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Why are you absent? Have you much schooling? Whenever you can appear, we are happy to see you.
-not very organized). Sometimes when I try to look it up in my tiny dictionary, it isn't there. Like, Borah!!!! said by a general, but morah was there, so it's pretty tricky for me. Also yes is yeh, neh, and deh -? I think the consonants are not the same as English, maybe. I have lessons on tape that are waiting for me to start again, too.
I cannot. 