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Post by JPh on Aug 21, 2005 15:09:29 GMT -5
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Post by mikey on Aug 21, 2005 17:10:52 GMT -5
So, this Japanese guy doesn’t care much for a drama that glorifies a Korean military victory. Who’d ever have guessed?  Actually, I can buy his criticism of the sometimes one-dimensional characterizations we see of the major Japanese historical figures. I also wish KBS had paid more attention to this matter. But, when this bastard (and that’s the kindest word I can use here) criticizes KBS for not showing how Chosunese officials for “ignore[ed] Yi Yul-gok's advice to train a 100,000-man army,” it comes off sounding rather like some unrepentant German A-hole laying the blame for World War II entirely on Poland’s inadequate military preparedness. But, what would one expect from a right-wing Japanese nationalist who insists that the problem is the Korean people’s “warped understanding of Korea's history with Japan.” Yeesh! Every time I start to defend Japan (for one reason or another) some right-wing Japanese buffoon comes along and leaves me feeling disgusted! |
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Post by JPh on Aug 21, 2005 18:08:45 GMT -5
"Yi Yul-gok's advice to train a 100,000-man army,” "
That one puzzled me too. Episodes after episodes dealt with Korean court's refusal to properly prepare Chosun defensively. Only Yi understood Japan's threats were real and grave.
But he has a point about the caricatures of the Samurais which diminishes the effectiveness of the drama. On that point he's correct.
On the other hand, his accusations that Yi was foolish in persuing the fleeing Japanese... consider these
1) The Japanese were not surrendering.
2) The Japanese had all their weapons and ships and they were not going to give them up. Whose going to gaurantee that they wouldn't return for a third invasion of Chosun?
3) The Japanese killed up to one quarter of the Chosun population, they weren't going to be punished.
4) If Yi allowed the Japanese the safe passage back to Japan, it would be the equivalent of General McArthur accepting Japan's peace treaty (without the condition of unconditional surrender - and thank god that never happened).
I heard that in Japan, the war of 1592 is referred to as the "Korean campaign" of the great Toyotomi Hideyoshi who united all of Japan. Admiral Yi Soon Shin probably doesn't even make the print. Most Japanese probably wouldn't even know who the heck he is.
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Post by FrederickII on Aug 21, 2005 18:10:15 GMT -5
I loved that a Japanese is complaining about history, because we all know that the Japanese have come to terms about their history.
His claim that Konishi and the other generals are like cartoon characters is total BS. My guess is he watched 4 or 5 episodes and judged it.
Anybody knows that the Japanese generals are quite a unique bunch, Konishi is a clear headed Christian, while Kato is a hot head but smart enough to be reasoned with, Dodo is more of a methodical man who has been blinded by revenge (hell Konishi talked with him about it last episode).
Finally, he is incorrect when he says Yi Soon Shin was pursuing the Japanese needlessly. The Japanese navy was threatening Admiral Jin Lins navy and Yi Soon Shin came to his rescue.
The Japanese don’t like their past, how can we expect them to like this drama?
I dont know about today, but I do know back in the early part of the 1900s Yi Soon Shin was a diety of the Japanese navy and admired by the Japanese.
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Post by new age on Aug 21, 2005 20:31:46 GMT -5
I loved that a Japanese is complaining about history, because we all know that the Japanese have come to terms about their history. actually they haven't come to terms at all. Most are in denial of their history and a sad fact,they are softening their history pages to be percieved as not so barbaric. Katsuhiro Kuroda was complaining that the japanese role and historical portrayal were completely wrong. He said they should have researched on the japanese history. But he should understand that this is a korean drama. It is meant to show korean history, instead of reflecting on japans own. |
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Post by FrederickII on Aug 21, 2005 21:09:14 GMT -5
new age, my appologies, but I was being scarcastic, sorry i didnt convey it better.
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Post by skinz on Aug 22, 2005 7:31:17 GMT -5
Katsuhiro Kuroda was complaining that the japanese role and historical portrayal were completely wrong. He said they should have researched on the japanese history. But he should understand that this is a korean drama. It is meant to show korean history, instead of reflecting on japans own. I don't agree with this statement at all. I mean if the people involved with the show were not going to do research on the japanese side or the chinese side, why even bother showing the Japanese or the chinese point of views? They could have easily concentrated soley on the Korean perspective and not show Hideyoshi nor Emperor Wanli since they were not directly in the war. To just say that to forget the other nations history involved in the war because this is a Korean drama series is really shallow. I bet if Japan or china created a drama series about the Imjin war and only focused on their side and left out Yi Soon Shin or the Ming involvement because its a Japanese or chinese drama all hell would break loose. That's why creating a drama involving three nations is destined for controversy. |
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Post by Trespasser on Aug 22, 2005 12:18:10 GMT -5
Expecting a Japanese broadcaster to broadcast YSS is like expecting a US network to show a Mexican drama about the Mexico-US war where the coldblooded Yankee troops just march in and clear the land by shooting all the Mexicans in sight.
I was personally shocked by NHK's decision to broadcast Daejanggum in September considering the content of the show, but YSS doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
Well, at least it will catch Chinese and Taiwanese airwaves.
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Post by JPh on Aug 22, 2005 16:55:10 GMT -5
"Well, at least it will catch Chinese and Taiwanese airwaves."
..uh.. I don't know about that, since the portrayals are of Ming China are not too flattering.
Even if they did show it, I bet there will be accusations of Koreans distorting history and playing down all that Ming China did for Korea.
But we all mustn't forget, the Koreans (except for Yi Soon Shin and his soldiers), don't come off looking so hot in this drama either.
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Post by Trespasser on Aug 22, 2005 19:41:26 GMT -5
It is already on Chinese satellite TV, and the competition for Chinese OTA broadcast rights seem to be rather fierce. Chinese viewers seem to get off seeing Japanese fleet getting blasted away...
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Post by Trespasser on Aug 22, 2005 19:50:40 GMT -5
Speaking of Konishi, there was a rather amuzing scene in Episode 102. |
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Aug 22, 2005 20:10:16 GMT -5
first of all, new age, that was sarcasm...
I don't blame that guy for denouncing the show; could anyone ever be completely pleased with the way his people are represented in any drama that's obviously going to have bias?
I agree that Japan and China should be represented better, but honestly, how much better can Japan be represented?
I think that guy's just getting pissed over the truth.
According to Jph, the Japanese killed a FOURTH of Chosun's population--a fourth of the people, including civilians, were murdered barbarically. In Nanjing, China, 300,000 people were murdered in similarly atrocious ways. Exaggeration? I don't think so.
Admiral Yi Sun Shin died while "needlessly pursuing retreating Japanese ships?" Needlessly pursuing only five hundred of them, ok.
Maybe if he wasn't so pissed at the Japanese and what they'd done he wouldn't have tried to burn down every last ship of a retreating navy. Actually, never mind, Yi Sun SHin was completely irrational in driving out the remnants because the "depiction of Japan or the Japanese is ridiculous" and the Japanese soldiers were really such kind visitors during their peaceful stay in Chosun. That Admiral, what a crazy man.
I'm sure Admiral Yi would like to have a cup of tea with Kuroda.
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Post by skinz on Aug 23, 2005 8:31:33 GMT -5
I forgot to read the the link yesterday because I focused only on New Age comment.
Well after reading it, I have a big problem with his views. I can understand that he is criticizing the lack of historical facts in the series, but to only focus on the japanese facts instead of pointing out of the false Korean facts that are shown in the drama shows his real agenda. If he's gonna complain at least complain about ALL the misleading historical facts, including the Korean ones and the Chinese.
Like I said in my previous post, you can't just leave out history from another nation because its people are not your audience. If you made the decision to create a drama series that represents different nations then you should make it your duty to know the history of the nation you are showing.
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Post by TheBo on Aug 23, 2005 14:38:30 GMT -5
I think you are complaining about Kuroda, not new age, right skinz? Because I don't see anything wrong with new age's remarks (except that he missed Fred's subtle sarcasm).
And, pakyown, I'm not doubting JPh's veracity, but don't you think you should get a little outside support for his remarks? I mean, my sister gives me medical information all the time, but I make sure I consult an actual doctor or online medical reference before I actually believe her, LOL.
Bo
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Post by Trespasser on Aug 23, 2005 15:31:18 GMT -5
Interestingly, there wasn't a public outcry about Kuroda's remarks unlike his past comments because, what he said was true; YSS is the most distorted drama filled with lies and creative fiction in recent years. Everybody realizes that. You cannot argue with someone who is telling the truth.
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