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Post by skinz on Jul 5, 2005 9:36:07 GMT -5
I'm watching episode 88 now (don't worry I'm not going to spoil it for anybody) and I'm confused about the whole situation on Won Kyun. I know he had ties with the court but why wasn't his past disasters thought of before they installed him after Soon Shin. I mean the guy only had 3 ships,which he created for himself by sinking his other ships.
Why was Yi Okki past over? Was he too young for the post?
And from the last scene for 88, seems Soon Shin is going to need some prayers for what he's about to go through. Ouch!
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Post by florel on Jul 5, 2005 15:47:34 GMT -5
The dramatists omitted some details of historical circumstances. Perhaps would it be because the producers don't have sufficient time to explain all of them ? Or would they consider them as boring stuffs ? I just mention a few of historical facts. It's not comments on the drama. Among important facts, they didn't show Won Kyun's Memorial. On the 22th January 1597, Commander of Cholla Army Won Kyun sent his Memorial to Court in which he reproached YSS's defensive attitude and insisted that Chosun Navy should have attacked the Japanese. He also said that he could beat them if the court gave him warships and soldiers. Then on the 6th-7th February 1597, the King ordered to arrest YSS and to discharge him. It's the historical fact that the king liked Won Kyun very much. lol And Won Kyun had many friends in the court and he was talented more for politics than for warfare. But YSS was dull of political stuffs. It seems that the king used Commander Won as a political instrument in order to keep YSS in check. Everyone knew that YSS was on bad terms with Won Kyun. About Yi Ok-Ki, the most widely spread explication is that the court would have been also suspicious of him because he was a member of the royal clan (a descendant of the 2nd king of Chosun), so he would have been considered as a dangerous general if he had too much power in his hands. Personally, I assume the court would have judged that Yi Ok-Ki was a faithful follower of YSS and that he would not meet the king's expectation of attacking Busan Port. (This is a personal hypothesis. There was a minister who said that Yi Ok-Ki was not as competent as Won Kyun. But it doesn't make sense.) On the other hand, Won Kyun said that he would do. Voila ! The stupid king gave him Chosun Navy !  [/li][li] |
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Post by soosaan on Jul 5, 2005 16:40:02 GMT -5
It's too bad that Won Kyun and YSS could not work together. The show is definately portraying WK as a psycho, possibly he was as crazy as they are making him out to be, but I can't believe what you are saying about him becoming the head of the Chosun Navy. We are only on eppy 70, so I shouldn't have read ahead but unfortunately I am so addicted to this show I can't help myself. If WK, YSS and their 3rd friend could only get together once more for tea! Just like old times! (aw, shucks!!)
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Post by moreshige on Jul 7, 2005 8:43:53 GMT -5
It's too bad that Won Kyun and YSS could not work together. The show is definately portraying WK as a psycho, possibly he was as crazy as they are making him out to be, but I can't believe what you are saying about him becoming the head of the Chosun Navy. We are only on eppy 70, so I shouldn't have read ahead but unfortunately I am so addicted to this show I can't help myself. If WK, YSS and their 3rd friend could only get together once more for tea! Just like old times! (aw, shucks!!) Hi  You always have to keep in mind that this show is based on REAL history. The writers can't deviate from the show too much even though they have at times. Too bad the writers can't imprison Won Kyun instead. |
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Post by IAPD3000 on Jul 8, 2005 11:35:03 GMT -5
I'm watching episode 88 now (don't worry I'm not going to spoil it for anybody) and I'm confused about the whole situation on Won Kyun. I know he had ties with the court but why wasn't his past disasters thought of before they installed him after Soon Shin. I mean the guy only had 3 ships,which he created for himself by sinking his other ships. Why was Yi Okki past over? Was he too young for the post? And from the last scene for 88, seems Soon Shin is going to need some prayers for what he's about to go through. Ouch! Question: What year that we're in the episodes 83-88 of the YSS series? |
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Post by Choko on Jul 8, 2005 13:33:32 GMT -5
(Spoiler alert)
Ep. 81~86 was 1594.
Ep. 87~88 was 1596.
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Post by ocean on Jul 8, 2005 15:03:53 GMT -5
It doesn't matter because Won Kyun will get beheaded for his stupidity. How deserving, in the show he's this maniac that loves chopping heads now he's going to get his head chopped.
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Jul 8, 2005 17:31:40 GMT -5
He's not a maniac that "loves chopping heads" and I don't think he was a maniac in history either.
Every Chosunese probably wanted to get their hands on the Japanese and do even worse things than chopping their heads off. THey were pretty pissed; wouldn't you be?
The Japanese did far worse things to our people than the drama shows but I don't see you censuring them.
And people back then had a higher standard for what gruesome was; apparently, chopping heads off wasn't that bad.
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Post by florel on Sept 3, 2005 18:02:35 GMT -5
He's not a maniac that "loves chopping heads" and I don't think he was a maniac in history either. Unfortunately, Won Kyun was a real maniac of head collection. The worst thing he did is the fact that Commander Won even chopped Koreans' heads and faked them as Japanese ones ! During the Battles of Ungchun, Admiral YSS stated in his Diary that "... When our ships were sailing toward Toksarimok [actual Busan city], ... the Right wing Commandant gave an alarm, so all boats hastened to the scene under full sail and surrounded an islet, only to find a boat ... [of Right Kyungsang Navy] going in and out the bay hurriedly in a suspicious manner, so they were arrested and sent to Kyongsang Commander Admiral Won Kyun, who was angered by the action. He said he ordered the sailors on those two boats to cut off the heads of the local fishermen and bring them to him. ..." (28 February 1593) Too bad the writers can't imprison Won Kyun instead. Yeah, more, it's really bad.  |
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Sept 3, 2005 21:32:28 GMT -5
ep. 88 made me so sad..
You can get killed for defaming the king but
by now, everybody was thinking how stupid the King was, and I think for the first time in the entire drama, one of the ministers just straightout said his opinion--that Yi Sun Shin was innocent. Yi Young Nam also said the entire country was wrong.
After watching, I am really wondering if the admiral's men really wanted to defy the king's command with their own lives, and if the admiral really ordered his men to comply unconditionally with the royal order.
And also, if the Admiral behaved with such reverence and majesty that he moved his escorts and guards.
It will anguish me to watch Admiral (or common soldier -_-) endure his ordeal, and pain me (and perhaps the stupid King) to see almost the entire navy get obliterated.
But the gauntlet is a true test of Yi Sun Shin's character. What he does after his demotion--despite his undue disgrace and torture--especially with his remaining navy exemplifies his reverence that is respected by all koreans, including me.
Though this was an ignominious period, this adversity was also an opportunity that tested Yi Sun shin's character, and the admiral prevailed.
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Post by skinz on Sept 3, 2005 21:41:56 GMT -5
If Episode 88 made you sad, tomorrow's episode is gonna REALLY make you cry like a baby.
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Post by ShawScope on Sept 4, 2005 2:53:18 GMT -5
the shortsightedness of the King is astonishing, as well as all the western ministers who jumped at this chance to get some political points by betting the whole country Question to historical minded people: Was there ever such a case anywhere else in the history of the world ? When the Ruler at the time of greatest peril to himself and his state removed his most talented and proven General from the command. Imagine King George removing Nelson , or Continental Congress removing George Washington all based on superficial reasons.  It seems totally suicidal, King of Chosun should've been declared "unfit for command" and replaced with his sane son ;D |
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Post by Choko on Sept 5, 2005 7:25:24 GMT -5
Question to historical minded people: Was there ever such a case anywhere else in the history of the world ? Yes, one of the Song Chinese Emperors did such a stupid thing. He killed Song China's national hero Ak Bi(岳飛, 1103~1141, I don't know how to pronounce his name in Chinese), which made his country weaker and finally destroyed by Mongol. In IYSS, Captain Chung Wun had a sword named after Ak Bi's famous poem (or maxim?). Ak Bi was a very famous warrior in ancient China and Chosun. Actually, I think politician's shortsightedness has not changed so much. Look at the national tragedy politicians caused both in Chosun and in the U.S. (Recent news about the hurricane made me so sad....  ) |
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Post by BungalowDweller on Sept 5, 2005 21:23:59 GMT -5
This was a very sad episode. Tonight was the last night that my girl could stay up to watch IYSS. We start school tomorrow. She was so angry at "The Big Red Hat!!!" as she referred to the Anti YSS minister (excuse me, please. I forgot his name.) Thanks to Skinz's thread, I'm not letting the kid watch tomorrow night's episode. I reminded her that YSS is the IMMORTAL YSS and that he will be o.k. I was very surprised by the depth of her anger and sorrow at his predicament. |
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Post by JKl on Sept 5, 2005 23:23:59 GMT -5
Song China's national hero Ak Bi(岳飛, 1103~1141, I don't know how to pronounce his name in Chinese) his name is Yue Fei. it is pronounced [you-eh faye] |
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