SPOILERS! San-Chun Battle Episode!

[Heather]

I think I was more shocked and upset that Lt. Na and Nalbal got shot, too. Although the prosthestics for the scene of Chung removing the bullet in Yi's shoulder was grossly well done; I had to lower my eyes when it looked all bloody and meaty. That's why I don't watch medical dramas! *cringe*

[paduk.scholar]

Is the plot with the sharpshooters real? The whole YSS-getting-targeted-by-snipers is just complete fiction, right? I imagine any kind of guns during that era wouldn't have the best range/accuracy.

Also, what happens to Na? It appears he gets hit only in the shoulder but then he's gurgling up blood.

[Choko]

Of course, the Japanese sniper, Kansuke, is a fictional character. Nobody knows who shot YSS in the real history. Is it just a stray bullet or an aimed bullet? Nobody knows.

According to YSS' war diary or other historical documents, no one died and only three people were wounded on the Chosun side during the battle of Sacheon. One is YSS, another is Lt. Na (Both of them were wounded by bullets) and the third is Yi Seol who was injured by an arrow. Actually, there were a lot of soldiers on the warship board, but all the injured people were ironically navy commanders. That's why, I guess, the writer imagined a sniper taking aim at YSS.

[FrederickII]

I read somewhere that Yi soon shin actually cut the bullet out of his shoulder with his own sword.

[Thedummie2]

Actually...I was wondering that too. Really the Turtle Ship never sank? I thought it did cuz u kno, it was a test run, and people do fail the first time they try something. I wouldn't mind seeing Yi Soon Shin win 23 times. That would be fun. Then again, I'm very biased. I didn't think the directors were trying to show that. I think the only reason why the directors made Yi Soon Shin retreat at first was because he was worried about Lt. Na, and when he was OK, he changed his mind. He refused to leave. That's what I thought anyway. Anyone else think that, or am I giving the directors too much credit here?

[Thedummie2]

Sorry, I should have been more specific in my previous post. I meant, I was wondering how the Chosunese would get the impaled Japanese soldiers off the board. Yeah...I was kinda grossed out by that scene, too. I heard that in reality, the top of the Turtle Ship was covered by straw, so from afar, it looked like plain wood. The Japanese only found out about the spikes when they got on, and by then...well...you could figure it out.

P.S. Really? Is that true FrederickII? Geesh...seriously, this guy really had guts.

[ShawScope]

about getting Japanese off the roof of turtle ship. It is visible that there are hatches in the roof for access, and it has two masts for sails , so sailors are able to get on it.
and then they would probably use long poles to get anything stuck on the roof off

I seriously doubt Yi Soon-Shin could've removed the bullet himself with as sword. Not that I doubt his guts. But sword is not the kind of precise instrument for the job and operating it with one hand he would sooner make a mess of his wounded hand rather than tend the wound.

[pakyownage4eva]

Let it be known that Yi Soon Shin is a manly man.

When he was wounded, he never revealed it until after battle to not demoralize his men.

His war diary does not say that the Turtle Ship ever sank. Correct me if I'm wrong but the directors made the ship sink to make it more dramatic when the Chosunese are kicking Japanese butt, to make the drowned sailors' deaths not in vain, but that was quite a distortion...makes the great admiral look bad. :/ whatever.

As far as I know, Yi Soon Shin did not remove the bullet himself.

that would be sooo bad*ss though.

I can just imagine Yi Soon Shin stuffing himself with beef jerky and bashing two Japanese's heads together and punching someone's face in for looking at him the wrong way.

[Aging Warrior]

It would make a lot more sense and be more effective if the spikes on the turtle ship were size of nails and more plentiful then the widely spaced vampire killers they use on the TV show. It looks more like they are giving the Japanese handholds to steady themselves.

[FrederickII]

I dont know if this is fact, but in MHQ it says

concerning the battle of sanchon The Koreans had destroyed all twelve Japanese ships. Admiral Yi, however, was struck in the left shoulder by a bullet from a Japanese arqeubus. The would was several inched deep. So as not to upset his men, he kept the fact a secret until the battle was over, when he calmly removed the bullet with his own sword.

I don’t know if it is true, but I know of 1 instance he was shot in the hand and another when he was shot with an arrow (which he just broke off) and said nothing.

[FrederickII]

Choko said:

Kurujima Michiyuki was shot to death by the Constable Kwon Jun's arrow.

are we talking about the Constable Kwon, who is always dressed in white andwho is Yi soon shins closest liutenant?

[Choko]

Yes, he is. As the ep. 68 depicts, it is true that Kurujima Michiyuki was shot to death by Kwon Jun's arrow. YSS's war diary also says Kim Wan, the funny guy, beheaded the dead Kurujima.

I think YSS did not dressed his bullet wound himself. According to Yu Sung-ryong's "The Book of Corrections", he did not say that he was wounded by a bullet and continued to lead the battle. After the battle ended, he let his surbodinates to know the truth. YSS did not scream at all while someone else split his skin and pulled the bullet out. He even made a joke to people around him like the drama depicts.

[florel]

pakyownage4eva said:

I sure don't. They're making his victory seem like a mistake by getting shot by a bullet and retreating and making Gurujima chase after them. They're defaming his genius.... The Turtle Ship never sank during the test run either...

The sniper stuff is fictional, of course. But from what I read, in the battle of Sacheon in real history, YSS faked as if he retreated in order to allure the enemy to open sea. I think the dramatists show his intelligent tactic in that retreating scene.

Choko said:

Yes, he is. As the ep. 68 depicts, it is true that Kurujima Michiyuki was shot to death by Kwon Jun's arrow. YSS's war diary also says Kim Wan, the funny guy, beheaded the dead Kurujima.

This is the problem to discuss. It's true that Kwon Jun killed a Japanese commander in the battle of Dangpo. But it was Kamei.
Kurushima (aka Kurujima) was killed in the battle of Danghangpo.


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I guess it's not bad to continue my history stuff thread...
If anyone doesn't like spoilers, please do not read "History & Fiction" thread from now on.


Sacheon City

[Choko]

At the battle of Sacheon (June 2nd, 1592), YSS had a bullet in the left shoulder. The turtle ships made their debut. The Chosun navy sank 13 Japanese warships and killed around 2,600 enemy combatants.

At the battle of Dangpo (June 3rd, 1592), Kamei Korenori's fleet was attacked by YSS. He did not die and just left his golden fans given by Toyotomi Hideyoshi on the ship board and fled away. The Japanese commander who was killed by Kwon Jun's arrow is not Kamei but Kurujima Michiyuki as the drama depicts. (Some Korean websites made a mistake by saying that it was Kamei who was killed, but that's not true. The drama is right) The Chosun navy sank 21 Japanese warships and killed innumerable enemy combatants.

The battle of Danghangpo (June 5th~6th, 1592) did not appear in ep. 68. After Right Cholla navy led by Yi Ok-ki joined the combined fleet, they carried out the combat.

[florel]

Choko said:

At the battle of Dangpo (June 3rd, 1592), Kamei Korenori's fleet was attacked by YSS. He did not die and just left his golden fans given by Toyotomi Hideyoshi on the ship board and fled away. The Japanese commander who was killed by Kwon Jun's arrow is not Kamei but Kurujima Michiyuki as the drama depicts. (Some Korean websites made a mistake by saying that it was Kamei who was killed, but that's not true. The drama is right) The Chosun navy sank 21 Japanese warships and killed innumerable enemy combatants.

Interesting comment, Choko. It could explain a part of the problem. In fact, I had Kamei problem to continue my chronicles (it was one of reasons of the interruption). Because I KNEW the Japanese English websites indicate that he died in 1612. But it was difficult for me to trust private nature sources let alone internet sites (Korean or others). I was thinking it was Kamei who was killed because of his fan. But, as you said, it's also possible that he just lost his fan when he fled.

The death of Kurushima is another problem. One history book on the Imjin War published in Korea in 80's wrote that he committed suicide after being defeated at Yulpo. Other info I found on web says he suicided himself after Danghangpo battle. Others say it was not suicide but killing. lol (I opted for one of those interpretations.) Could you please tell me where you got your info ? (the title of history books) I guess you probably read the most recent publication of scientific works.

And could you verify this information ? From what I read on web, Kurushima Michiyuki is the childhood name of Tokui Michitoshi. Is it true ?

I really like discuss something. It's vrai french style !