Actor Kim Myung-min (YSS) speaks on Dokdo Issue

[ID]

Guest-JPh said:

I think we should stick to discussing the drama and try to stay away from political stuff. There's lots of other sites for that

Oh come on. We're not children anymore. We no longer are bound by single subjects.

[Knov1]

Guest-ID said:

We're not children anymore.

If anyone wants to say "We're adults. We can talk about whatever we want", then I suggest you act like it. It seems like whenever there's a topic like this people get all worked up and end up making rude or offensive comments. ID, you yourself have made comments that we've warned you about. I don't bring that up to put you on the spot but to make a point.

If you guys want to continue having discussions like this, you're going to have to learn to respect each other and conduct yourselves better. Also, when someone makes an offensive remark the proper thing to do is report it to a moderator. Trying to take matters into your own hands is likely to get you in as much trouble as the person who made the offensive remark.

In the past, we've had complaints about the board deteriorating. The majority of the blame has been put on guest or anonymous posters. I recommend taking a hard look at the content of your own posts before putting the blame elsewhere. I realize you are all passionate about your opinions and the shows that you watch. However, without your cooperation this board will truly deteriorate. I hope you all understand where I'm coming from.

[chigirl68]

I can't say this better than Knov1.
Please read your posts BEFORE you hit post.
Many of us have known each other on this board for a while and I would like to think we wouldn't intentionally offend each other. That is why I would discourage too heated debates in here. Please be mindful of others feelings.

[generaldu]

The art of civil discourse is certainly dead in American public life so it shouldn't be too surprising if we find that people have trouble with the concept in private discussions.

Our democratic society will not function healthily if half of us are fruitlessly insulting each other while the other half nervously tries to change the subject to something safe - "By the way, have you seen my new hat!".

[moreshige]

generaldu said:

The art of civil discourse is certainly dead in American public life so it shouldn't be too surprising if we find that people have trouble with the concept in private discussions.

Our democractic society will not function healthily if half of us are fruitlessly insulting each other while the other half nervously tries to change the subject to something safe - "By the way, have you seen my new hat!".

I think the art of civil discourse is made more complicated by the internet since you never know who you're talking to. You could be discussing post-modernism to a 13 year-old and wouldn't know it until he shows his true colors by his level of education and experience. But that's okay if he shows honest curiosity. The problem arises when the proverbial 13 year-old thinks he made a "point" by making crass remarks.

Well, I'm not refering to anyone here btw. Or am I? All you 13 year-olds come out of the woodwork and reveal yourselves now!

[MasterCrabby]

All right. That's it. GeneralDu may not care who saw my new hat, but I bet there's a thirteen-year old just waiting to crassly address it. While I am an old fart now, I respect a good hat taunting.
While I try to keep it light, this show is about life and death issues. Controversy is inevitable. I welcome a wooly commentary. But watch the hat comments!

[generaldu]

Thanks for the cautionary, Mastercrabby.

As I am a prideful navigator of these treacherous, politically correct/incorrect waters I shall place hat related remarks on my ever increasing don't-go-there list.

It isn't a fur hat by any chance?

[TheBo]

pakyownage4eva said:

...Quit whining about anti-Japanese in the show.

"Quit whining"? Is that the term you use for informed discussion? Sometimes we go overboard on that discussion, but nobody is whining. Even if you disagree with someone, they are not required to shut up. If you don't want to discuss, then opt out.

Bo

[Bunny]

TheBo said:

"Quit whining"? Is that the term you use for informed discussion? Sometimes we go overboard on that discussion, but nobody is whining. Even if you disagree with someone, they are not required to shut up. If you don't want to discuss, then opt out.

Bo

Uh oh looks like the board is deteriorating.

[FrederickII]

History has NO room for political correctness. History is a 'tell it like it is' subject and allot of people don’t like that.

I wonder how man Koreans died in the Imjin wars. If you read the article posted on Koreanhistoryproject.com (or was it .net?) it speaks of the roads filled with corpses. Koreas agricultural base was devastated which means food shortage. Japanese soldiers stranded from home trapped with Koreans in their care, what do you think they did with them?


The Japanese were not nice people back then, this show merely illustrates this fact.

[ID]

Guest-Bunny said:

Uh oh looks like the board is deteriorating.

Deteriorating? Because we are actually holding a conversation that might contain new information?

[donilpark]

FrederickII said:

I wonder how man Koreans died in the Imjin wars. If you read the article posted on Koreanhistoryproject.com (or was it .net?) it speaks of the roads filled with corpses. Koreas agricultural base was devastated which means food shortage. Japanese soldiers stranded from home trapped with Koreans in their care, what do you think they did with them?

The latest census taken before the outbreak of the war recognized population of 4,162,051 people. However, this does not include slaves or criminals as well as those who ran from their homes to avoid taxes. So it is estimated that the total population of Korea before the war was about 11,000,000. Remember that things were harsh, so people would just abandon their homes and either run away or become bandits because of heavy taxes and tyranny of the rulers.
The estimate of population after the war is 1,500,000.
So what, only about 1/8 of Korean population was left. Near decimation.
Arable lands were reduced from 1500000 kyul to less than 300000 kyul. Kyul is a unit of measuring arable land, and I don't know how large that is, but you can see that the agricultural land was reduced to less than 1/5 of what it was before the war.

These are estimates. Some other estimates report larger losses and some report a little bit smaller losses.

[JPh]

There was one poster who complained that the Japanese were portrayed unfairly badly. But I think the show is very sanitized. The Japanese were 100 times worse than what you see on TV.

[TheBo]

generaldu said:

...I am a prideful navigator of these treacherous, politically correct/incorrect waters I shall place hat related remarks on my ever increasing don't-go-there list....

FrederickII said:

History has NO room for political correctness. History is a 'tell it like it is' subject and allot of people don’t like that...

What a bunch of smarty pants. Go anywhere you want, Du, just be thoughtful about it. If you pay any attention at all to the tone of public discourse today, the politically correct tactic is to cite as many inaccurate and poorly supported, unresearched "facts" in as loud and rude a tone as possible and then tell the other person to "shut up you're being politically correct" when they try to rebut your opinion.

As for history being a subject that "tells it like it is"--that is not a strictly accurate remark, Fred, my boy. History is rewritten by the powerful, from generation to generation. History is basically someone's opinion of what happened. Isn't that your gripe about this show? That the history of how the Japanese "were" is not portrayed accurately?

Bo

[generaldu]

If you'll check back, in this case my "hat"remarks were simply a humorous response to mastercrabby's feigned offense at my previous hat statement.

I think your view of the work of historians is a bit pessimistic, though. In general I would say the lies and myths of the past eventually do get washed away, at least in those societies with a degree of intellectual and academic freedom.

Although often the butt of jokes "Political Correctness" does have as its central validating principle the banishment of those deliberately hurtful expressions designed to denigrate individuals on the basis of their race, sexual orientation, gender, etc.

I grew up in a world where such vile epithets were commonly thrown around and some healthy progress has been made, at least with regard to stemming their use in polite conversation.