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Jaemin
Nov 21, 2004 21:22:50 GMT -5
Post by panther on Nov 21, 2004 21:22:50 GMT -5
while watching the show i was trying to debate if jae-hae's behavior is appropriate or not ( seeing that she's married and all) i dont know if either she's a flirt or if jae-min's just crazy. and i wonder why he's so insecure when it comes to jae-hae...seems like she was doing a little too much in college hmmmm.... (hey that would make a great sub plot )
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sandy
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Jaemin
Nov 22, 2004 0:12:00 GMT -5
Post by sandy on Nov 22, 2004 0:12:00 GMT -5
Those of us who are not Korean may not truly understand the difficulties between Jae-Hae and Jaemin. Seeing Min-sup as the father of Jae-Hae, I can understand the meaning of like father, like daughter. Jae-Hae is outgoing, but does not take other relationships seriously such as the one with Bang-dae. She sees Bang-dae as a friend, but without any intimate relationship that leads to marriage. To her, he's just a friend from her past. However, Bang-dae is not that innocent, not without motives that will destroy the marriage between Jae-Hae and Jaemin. Bang-dae and his friend are unemployed, so they have a lot of time on their hands. Jaemin seems to have been raised with a lot of attention from his mother, so he'll not permit another male into his life, and I can't blame him.
Any of us, who are married, would resent a former lover coming into our lives again pretending to be just a friend. It would raise a lot of questions if our spouses are truly devoted to us.
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Jaemin
Nov 23, 2004 22:41:51 GMT -5
Post by Soju on Nov 23, 2004 22:41:51 GMT -5
I was so struck by their different responses to Ji-Hae's medical news. Jae-min says he wants Ji-hea forever so matter what, and she says "We're going to have to get divorced. Let's get it over with soon." [HUH?]
Sandy is right. Ji-hae just doesn't take relationships seriously enough.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 9:12:20 GMT -5
Post by hachiue on Nov 24, 2004 9:12:20 GMT -5
I figure that she is taking this one very seriously and giving Jae-min an easy out. This all goes back to the Dolby story - the woman was infertile but the mother would've forced her son to get a divorce if she'd known. So, it must be a fairly common practice to divorce your barren spouse. I think that it shows that she cared so much about him that she was allowing him to leave her if that's what he wanted.
It showed when she was so depressed and deadpan when talking to Jae-min, and also when she was so upset while talking to her mother (hey, it shows because she even went to talk to her mother).
I think that she takes them very seriously, but isn't experienced since she's been sheltered all her life. The fact that she would be willing to let him go instead of "grabbing onto his ankle", as K-characters are so fond of saying, speaks a lot for her love for him.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 9:38:15 GMT -5
Post by galacticchick on Nov 24, 2004 9:38:15 GMT -5
The fact that she would be willing to let him go instead of "grabbing onto his ankle", as K-characters are so fond of saying, speaks a lot for her love for him. Even though I know they keep repeating the same problem because it's an important issue, I still kind of rolled my eyes and grunted "not again!" The couple from Tender Hearts went through the same thing (although she did give birth in the end), in So This is Love they kept pressuring the youngest DIL to have a child, YH-Minjoo was also barren, OMR Yujin had trouble conceiving. I still want to see how all this turns out, but...
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 11:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Nov 24, 2004 11:41:44 GMT -5
The way they left it at the end of the episode, it seemed to me like Jee-hae actually is thinking she might want to get divorced and is using this as a pretext. (She might think Jae-min's jealousy is too big a burden on their relationship, for one thing.) I know that theory is way out there, and there's a good chance that's just what the writers wanted us to think to make it a good cliffhanger. But that's what it looked like to me.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 12:04:34 GMT -5
Post by hachiue on Nov 24, 2004 12:04:34 GMT -5
Hmm. Mebbe. I like far out theories so this one is right up my alley.
That's odd that it's so common of a theme. (This is where my relative newness to watching dramas comes in.) Twice in one series even! Well maybe it's not odd, but strange that it would show up in every show. Maybe it's like having an affair is here in tv shows - it's the seemingly ubiquitous problem that no one likes to talk about and can cause families/marriages to fall apart, but doesn't always because they work on them. Yes, I'm stretching a bit with the simile, but I think that's a possibility.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 13:08:23 GMT -5
Post by galacticchick on Nov 24, 2004 13:08:23 GMT -5
Maybe it's like having an affair is here in tv shows - it's the seemingly ubiquitous problem that no one likes to talk about and can cause families/marriages to fall apart, but doesn't always because they work on them. Yes, I'm stretching a bit with the simile, but I think that's a possibility. Hey that's a really good point, I never thought about it that way. I guess maybe because men and women kind of alternate in the affair having, one show it will be the man cheating, another show it will be the woman cheating so it doesn't seem so played out. There's also more ways to play on the same plot.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 14:08:44 GMT -5
Post by Soju on Nov 24, 2004 14:08:44 GMT -5
The thing that kind of puts me off is that Ji-hae is so ready to get divorced right away, before she even knows the results of her tests. In the other shows, there seemed to be a bit more angst. Maybe she is just insecure about her marriage.
But, her having a different attitude than on other shows may give them an opportunity to resolve the issue from a new angle, so now I'm curious to see how it will play out.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 15:31:59 GMT -5
Post by toranaga on Nov 24, 2004 15:31:59 GMT -5
JI-HAE wants a divorce for several reasons:
1) to not rob jae-min of the joy of fatherhood.
2) spare herself of the pain of jae-min asking her for a divorce if later he decides he want's a child.
3)spare herself of the agony of learning that jae-min is cheating on her. IS it true that women that have hysterectomy lose the desire for sex?
4)also she may fear that his parent's may send her home when they learn she can't bear children.
5)also wouldn't seeing her husband everyday remind her that she cannot bear his child.
I am not a woman so I can't pretend to understand the pain a woman in her situation is in but,all these thing's crossed my mind so I am sure they crossed hers.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 15:51:58 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Nov 24, 2004 15:51:58 GMT -5
What I want to know is, what kind of doctor says, "you may have a polyp," tells the patient she needs surgery, and allows her to leave the office believing that in any case she probably won't be able to have children? What kind of disease is that, that automatically requires removing either your whole uterus or both ovaries? I'm not sure that even cancer does that--does it? Doesn't add up to me. And why didn't Jee-hae say anything to her husband until they were outside? Wouldn't he have thought to ask the moment she came out from the examining room?
These dramas are so weird with everything medical. The doctors have no bedside manner, and the office visits are basically, "Here's what awful disease you have. See you when you wake up from surgery. Bye!" The patients ask almost no questions and never get a second opinion. I have a feeling this is what it was like in America 40 years ago.
So, what ever happened to Jae-min's mom's eyes? It's so strange that they would give her such an awful problem, devote a week to it, and then never mention it again.
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 16:23:27 GMT -5
Post by TORANAGA UNLOGGED on Nov 24, 2004 16:23:27 GMT -5
fan fiction:
JEE HAE: doctor I am having a problem,what's wrong with me?
DOCTOR: you have cancer you are going to die.
JEE-HAE: isn't there anything you can do?
DOCTOR: no no you must die,the korean drama how to book says you must die of cancer after a long painful battle.
JEEHAE:not me that's not in the script.
DOCTOR: well the drama"HOW TO BOOK" says someone must get cancer and your it.
JEE-HAE:why not hee-soo's mother-in-law,nobody likes her anyway.
DOCTOR: well if we kill her off,there is no chance that she will reconcile with golfer dad;this is also in the drama "how to book"no family can remain in conflict,everything must be forgiven.YOU MUST GET CANCER,or the disease of your choice,NOW GET TO IT!!!
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sandy
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Jaemin
Nov 24, 2004 22:52:03 GMT -5
Post by sandy on Nov 24, 2004 22:52:03 GMT -5
I missed Tuesday night's episode, so I don't really know about Jae-Hae's problem with infertility. Today, though, Jae-Hae and Jae-Min, Hee-Soo and Jin-Kook were having dinner, but the 2 women were in tears. Hee-Soo just had an argument with her meddling, difficult mother. Poor Hee-Soo may be at her wit's end dealing with Jin-Kook's family. She's given so much of herself, but has not even considered what she wants. I think it's a family of her own, but she and her husband never seem to be intimate except for a quick hug. It seems that Jae-Hae's family, especially her grandmother, wants her to be pregnant again. Jae-Min says that he doesn't care if they can't have children, but his mother seems distraught by this possible situation. Since Jae-Hae and Hee-Soo are both female cousins, they seem to have one thing in common which is having no foreseeable children in the future.
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Jaemin
Nov 26, 2004 11:13:22 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Nov 26, 2004 11:13:22 GMT -5
Toranaga! You nut. That's hilarious. (And so accurate. hee hee.)
Bo
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Jaemin
Nov 26, 2004 14:13:23 GMT -5
Post by amber NWSide Chicago on Nov 26, 2004 14:13:23 GMT -5
To Lucy: Right now I have the uterine fibroid/polyp problem in real life. I had a near hemorrhage and went to the Swedish Covenant emergency room. They found a polyp/fibroid on vaginal ultrasound-won't know which until surgery. Most of these are not life threatening except for those that bleed heavily. Early stage cervical cancer, (CIN I, II or III), can often be treated without a hysterectomy- but not uterine cancer of the endometrium. For that most of the female organs must be removed. If the woman is of childbearing age they do their best to preserve fertility, but saving the patient's life is job one. Also, multiple polyps or fibroids often interfere with fertility. But ask VIB-isn't she a med student?l
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