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Post by Lucy on Jun 9, 2004 15:03:56 GMT -5
Yes, I'm not even sure what we're talking about! It's quite possible that Jacques is being serious, though I'm not. It wasn't a typo, though; I've seen him use it a few times and finally snapped today.   |
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Post by jacques on Jun 9, 2004 15:47:42 GMT -5
Yes, I'm not even sure what we're talking about! It's quite possible that Jacques is being serious, though I'm not. It wasn't a typo, though; I've seen him use it a few times and finally snapped today. Lucy, we will always have my "gramps" and your "wantas." ;D The REAL issue, again Ladies, is who is the REAL Kwi-boon, the character we see portrayed on OMR. Does she live up to her part as "Grannie," which for me conjures up images of a wise, loving, and sympathetic grandmother. To my utter disappointment, the Kwi-boon character is like a bull in a china shop--sowing the seeds of distrust and discontent in the Oh household, only to regret some of her actions belatedly. Is this "Grannie" the way we think of an affectionate grandmother? Or does she act more like the stereotype of a grumpy "Gramps," which means that Kwi-boon, for all we know, may not even know her true self, other than the one that metes out judgements like "HK cannot marry HR because her father caused his mother's death," etc. She evidently sees her role as Judge and Jury for the Oh family, whilst neglecting her maternal, grandmotherly duties.  |
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Post by Lucy on Jun 9, 2004 15:53:58 GMT -5
"Gramps" = inappropriate use of colloquial term based on misunderstanding of said term's derivation (from "Grampa") "Hafta" (I don't think I used "wanta") = deliberate casualism to lend comic effect and clearly not an error Apples and oranges, mon cher Jacques.  |
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Post by jacques on Jun 9, 2004 15:56:37 GMT -5
"Gramps" = inappropriate use of colloquial term based on misunderstanding of said term's derivation (from "Grampa") "Hafta" (I don't think I used "wanta") = deliberate casualism to lend comic effect and clearly not an error Apples and oranges, mon cher Jacques. Tutti frutti, carina. |
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Post by eaglestorm on Jun 9, 2004 16:11:16 GMT -5
Ah, but you see Lucy, the spirit of Gramps, i.e. the patriarchical system is alive and well in OMR, in spite of Gramps being deceased. Grannie derives her authority from Gramps, she plays the role of his surrogate in the Oh family and that is why we see EVERYONE quaking and trembling in her presence. Do you think if Gramps were alive, Kwi-boon would have the nerve to be the reactionary, geriatric loudmouth that she is? I don't think so. ;D I think the real reason we don't see "Grandpa Oh" around is because Kwei-boon nagged him to death! I guess we know now who was the REAL power in the Oh family.... |
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Post by Lucy on Jun 9, 2004 16:27:44 GMT -5
All rootie, Liebchen.  We don't know what Gramps was like, by the way. He's not even mentioned. Maybe he wasn't any patriarch; maybe he was a pushover, and that's why In-hwan pursued Soon-young for so long against his Omma's wishes. And Granny had no strong husband to back her up, so she became imperious and querulous and all those other "-ous"es that we see her exhibiting today. Gramps's weakness could also be why In-hwan is such a harda_ss as a father, too; he might be trying to correct himself in the opposite direction. Who knows, maybe Grampa Oh was an apron-wearing, citron-tea-preparing, romantic fool, and Grandma was forced to put on the pants and "institute some discipline around this house, dammit!" P.S. eaglestorm, you've got a point. After all, she harangued Yu-jin and her baby right into a miscarriage! |
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Post by TheBo on Jun 9, 2004 16:45:24 GMT -5
(A) Lucy, we will always have my "gramps" and your "wantas." (B) Is this "Grannie" the way we think of an affectionate grandmother? Or does she act more like the stereotype of a grumpy "Gramps," ... (A) My opinion on this matter is that Jacques has a habit of mixing up names. Now (again, to my disappointment), he's trying to cover. Good try, bro, but Lucy's winning. (B) Et tu, Jacqus? In your scramble to cover (A), you are edging into sexism. (You might have intentionally referred to KB as "Gramps" as a way of highlighting irony? Hah, hah, good one!) Why does she have to be an "affectionate" grandmother? Isn't that just a stereotype, too? Are elderly women not allowed to be cantankerous, unreasonable, reactionary or loud, but elderly men are? She's a spoiled brat who can't stand not to get her way. Isn't that enough of a condemnation? Everyone wears pants now. It's okay--none of us "gals" is trying to get your "special stuff" so y'all can stop holding your hands in front of there, guys.  Bo |
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Post by TheBo on Jun 9, 2004 16:49:17 GMT -5
.... Who knows, maybe Grampa Oh was an apron-wearing, citron-tea-preparing, romantic fool, and Grandma was forced to put on the pants and "institute some discipline around this house, dammit!" ACK! ACK! HELP ME, LORD! |
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Post by jacques on Jun 9, 2004 16:49:58 GMT -5
That is precisely my point--the IRONY of the OMR Grannie being a, to use your expression, cantankerous old woman. Which is the reason why the melodrama draws so many viewers! ;D
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Post by Lucy on Jun 9, 2004 17:02:22 GMT -5
No, no, Bo, you're misunderstanding. I'm not necessarily talking about stereotypical gender roles--I'm talking about one parent having to become the bad cop because the other one is so weak. But really, I don't think I would be out of line if I actually had meant it that way; we're talking about a traditional society with presumably well-defined gender roles, and I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb if I guess that the father was expected to be the disciplinarian. Plus, it's joke, luv.  |
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Post by Lucy on Jun 9, 2004 17:04:12 GMT -5
I believe the expression you are searching for is:
EYEGOO!! EYEGOO!!!
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Post by WinterBallad on Jun 9, 2004 19:53:29 GMT -5
We haven't gotten to the divorce or miscarrage eps. in Hawaii yet. We are just up to the part where HK tells the father he wants to go to Orlando. From reading the posts, I guess he goes. I hope he stays there and contacts HR in Korea and bring her over to live with him. That would really make the family wild especially EA. ;D ;D ;D As for the miscarrage, I don't know the reason why she had one, maybe all the stress and remarks from MG that caused it; and if it is, MG should be shot.  And I'm guessing the miscarriage is bringing on the divorce. Well this is just my opinion, I never liked YJ for MJ. She really loves him and that's great but he has 20+ years of emotions pent up inside him, love being probably the furthest down the bottom, that I think the amount of expressions he is showing her is pretty good. YJ has always been loved by her family and as a result can express it easier. MJ on the other hand did not. She told him that her father always came home early to eat dinner and spend time with his family. How can you compare that to how MJ was brought up. I'm sure he is just following in IH footsteps, which is, work till the job is done then go home. YJ can't expect MJ to be like her father, because he is not her father. I'm sure earlier in her parents marriage the father didn't come home right away, and worked late. Besides MJ always took a back seat when it came to being loved by his family. His own mother put him on the back burner herself, thus causing him to excel in everything he did propably to get a few morsels of love from her; but did that work----NO!!! So it's hard to give love when all your life you had to fight to get love. So for me, MJ is doing a great job in showing YJ his true feelings about her. IMO |
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Post by TheBo on Jun 10, 2004 10:49:08 GMT -5
Plus, it's joke, luv. Oh, yeah, me too--I was joking (heh. fixed that.). But wouldn't it be nice to have a citron-tea-preparing, romantic fool for a grandpa? I think it would be very comforting. And I think a loud, brash, opinionated grannie would be a hoot. As long as I didn't have to live with her, of course. Bo PS - It occurs to me that the reason this grannie seems insane is that her part is poorly written. In scene (a), she's sitting on the couch, cursing her "bad timing" in the miscarriage; in scene (b), she's abjectly sorry to Soon-young for her "lack of virtue." How the heck did she get from (a) to (b)? We should have seen that, in some way. |
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Post by jenny on Jun 10, 2004 10:54:56 GMT -5
She does seem to have a split personality lately, switching from Old Granny to New Granny.
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Post by TheBo on Jun 10, 2004 11:06:59 GMT -5
YJ ...[said] that her father always came home early to eat dinner and spend time with his family. How can you compare that to how MJ was brought up. I'm sure he is just following in IH footsteps, which is, work till the job is done then go home.... Actually, remember that SY was telling IH about how he always gave her "5 minutes" every day, even when he was out all the time, building Joyland. She mentioned this on several occasions, most notably the one where he was acting like a jerk to her over his "guilt" over his 1st wife's death, and she said, "You don't even have that 5 minutes for me any more." Bo |
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