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Post by kiparang on Nov 30, 2006 14:58:16 GMT -5
My dear Eva, maybe I used a wrong expression. So I take back the words "promote one star at the expense of another." Because, it was never my intention to say anything bad about LYA when I started this thread. (You will agree with me if you re-read the early parts of this thread.) I started it with fairly innocent intentions. I just wanted to promote KHJ a little to the Chicago crowd and decided to use the format "KHJ vs. LYA" because I knew KHJ was the first choice for the Janggeum role. At that time I still liked LYA. As the thread progressed I googled in Korean for more information about these two stars to answer some posters' inquries. To get additional information or verify some information, I called several of my friends in Korea who are still in the entertainment industry. What I heard about LYA from them was not pretty, to put it mildly. In fact, I was utterly disillusioned, and it has ruined permanently my enjoying future-watching of DJG, one of my all-time favorite K-dramas. Now I was put in a dilemma. I was tempted for a while to divulge every information I got from my friends. But in the end, I refrained myself (although it nearly killed me.) Not for LYA's sake, but for the sake of the current (and future) K-drama fans. whose enjoyment of DJG I did not want to ruin. "Baiting" did you say, Mikel? Absolutely not. Well, I hate to end my last post(any post from now on could be my last one.) on a somber note. So I will talk about an entertaining idea I just got. Maybe I could ask for a date with Kim Hyun-joo when I visit Korea the next time. A farfetched idea? No. My friends in the industry are now in important positions. One of them could arrange a date with KHJ. After all, I dated with several starlets when I was the senior vice president of an entertainment company many years ago. She would be delighted to know that I did so much for proper recognition of her among American K-drama fans. She would be delighted to know that one of the high-brow authors is so enchanted with her. Not an ordinary author, but an Indiana-Jones-like author, a handsome man who speaks several languages and widely travelled. (Yes, Ember, I am now in a bragging mode. ) Indiana Jones-like author? Well, here are some of the things I did during a month (not a typical month, of course) a couple of years ago. Spend two weeks in Marrakech, Morocco, deciphering 12th century Arabic documents for my future trans-Saharan journey. (Arabic is a language I picked up during my Saudi Arabian years, and there are still camel caravans in Sahara.) Then fly to Paris, staying at one of the top hotels there because of appointments with some important guests. And then fly to Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. But this time, not stay at one of the Cancun's de-luxe hotels but take a ferry to a small island where 15-dollar-a-day inns are available. Because I am not here to impress anybody, and these inns are fairly comfortable and fit for relaxation. Yes. KHJ would be thrilled to meet me If she had enough information about me. My friend would see to it that she gets it Well, it is time to say goodbye again. If i do not get to speak to you again, goodbye, Eva. Goodbye, Lifan and Eun. Goodbye, all.
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Post by djanggum on Nov 30, 2006 16:54:43 GMT -5
Hi Kiparang. I'm sorry if I disappoint you, but you should know better than to search for facts by talking to people in korea. Korea is known for many things: technology, divorce..(yes it's true..) and also rumors. Rumors about popular celebrities are VERY common, and the rumors get worse and worse if the celebrity is more popular. Antis of certain celebrities spread this bizarre rumors over the internet, and people believe them the second they read them, because they know that these kind of things would make news in their school or friends, since the celebrity is not likely to do the things the rumor said. However, this information is true for both LYA and KHJ. (and for any other celebrity out there who is popular) They both had affairs with their manager in order to become popular. I am not trying to shock anyone here, but it's the hard and painful truth. Celebrities do ANYTHING to become popular. Everyone in Korea will acknowledge this fact, because everyone knows that this is true. It is not a rumor, because no one goes against this statement. I just wanted to clear up that it's not really a big deal that "oooh! so and so did this! " because it is common, and even if it is true, there is a reason behind this, and ALL korean fans in korea consider these kinds of information before becoming a fan. And as far as I know, both actresses are still popular, which means... Their rumors don't really have an impact on people (I hope I was not too biased)
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Post by jasmine unlogged on Dec 1, 2006 1:22:01 GMT -5
well we all mistakes... so NAH!!! that doesnt even change a thing about how we appreciate the talents of someone else..
kiparang, no matter how big is your "bomb".. u may drop it.. but the audience now are more open minded and understanding... it has always been "what u become after your mistakes" that really matters.. but how pathethic.. there are still other people who delve on the past and mistakes of other people just to pull them down when they already are making things right...
see, LYA brought pride to korea when she helped different people from different countries, including her own. She became a juror of the berlin film festival, greatly helped in the korean wave, AND helped those unfortunate children in China get the education they needed... how great is that??
this is just really pathetic, there are really other people (who may have ulterior motives..hmmm) who make ugly stories (even when they're true or not) just to bring up someone who deserves her break also... makes me wanna throw up...
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Post by eva on Dec 1, 2006 6:13:21 GMT -5
Well that sounds like a plan, Kiparang! You two would have the cutest multilingual indiana jones-y offspring. Keep us informed about the wedding date
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Post by kiparang on Dec 1, 2006 16:37:56 GMT -5
Thanks, Eva. Isn't it pretty tickling----the idea of me and KHJ getting married and having children together? Especially, since she wouldn't know that I even exist. (I don't think she is the type who reads my books, unfortunately.) I will let you know if I get to meet her and anything develops. Djangum and Jasmine, can't you guys take a hint? (I think other did.) I was not talking about LYA's love affairs or anything she may have done in the past. I was talking about her personality. In spite of her sweet public persona she tried so hard to culivate and succeeded in doing, she is an emotionally cold person, who is unable to love anybody except herself. That is why almost nobody in the industry loves her. Do I have to go into more details? Let this thread die now as it has run its course.
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Post by kiparang on Dec 1, 2006 17:26:47 GMT -5
Correction:
In my previous post, the sentence "She is an emotionally cold person" should be changed to "Every industry insider that I talked to says that she is an enmtionally cold person." Sorry.
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Post by Angelita on Dec 2, 2006 0:40:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification.... it's a good thing your friends are not planning a "date" with her then...HA HA HA HA.... you're sooooo pathetic.
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Post by flexo on Dec 5, 2006 0:17:28 GMT -5
"Every industry insider that I talked to says that she is an enmtionally cold person."
Hmmm, it sounds like Miss LYA handles her business very professionally. That is hardly news.
kiparang, you have to do a lot better than that.
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Post by kiparang on Dec 5, 2006 1:29:57 GMT -5
Every word before and after the newly added words still stand. Including the words "who is unable to love....." Still, they wouldn't begin to describe what I heard actually.
Can't you guys see that all this while I have been trying to save LYA fans from the shock and the pain they would feel if they found out the sad truth about her? Most of them, I believe, are decent people who love K-dramas and have wanted to believe that LYA is Janggeum personified. I was one of them at the beginning of the thread, not a big LYA fan but still a fan. I am sorry. Truly.
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Post by djanggum on Dec 5, 2006 23:42:44 GMT -5
Thanks, Eva. Isn't it pretty tickling----the idea of me and KHJ getting married and having children together? Especially, since she wouldn't know that I even exist. (I don't think she is the type who reads my books, unfortunately.) I will let you know if I get to meet her and anything develops. Djangum and Jasmine, can't you guys take a hint? (I think other did.) I was not talking about LYA's love affairs or anything she may have done in the past. I was talking about her personality. In spite of her sweet public persona she tried so hard to culivate and succeeded in doing, she is an emotionally cold person, who is unable to love anybody except herself. That is why almost nobody in the industry loves her. Do I have to go into more details? Let this thread die now as it has run its course. but kiparang... No one is saying anything bad about KHJ. SO... i dont think there is any need to bring up any bad rumors or facts (whichever you may choose to call them) here, because as you know, this is a DJG fan club. so I am assuming that there ARE LYA fans here, like myself. I feel that it is right to respect those people, as we are doing to you by not expressing any negative thoughts on KHJ. I'm just disappointed that fans have to read negative comments on LYA in a fan board for DJG............ I don't know how many industries you've been to or how many people you have asked, but you have not asked LYA in person. unless it is directly stated in a news article, it is assumed that the news is just a rumor. i am sure that KHJ may have some herself, but I wish to not hear about them, because I know that if I hear them, then I may become an anti. and who wants to become that? Hearing negative comments leads us to tell others, but we sometimes end up hurting the minds of fans....... T.T
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Post by jasmine on Dec 6, 2006 2:32:15 GMT -5
i hope lots of people would see the NGs and behind-the-scenes of LYA commercials and films, just to give them the insight on how LYA deal with her co actors... post it here if u find her acting like a primadonna... i dare you... but that wont even change my admiration for LYA's talent and professionalism...
and hopefully, those people who cant make a living without pulling down other people may find it in their heart to take courage(if you have any) on asking the the concerned people about their side of their story... PERSONALLY! not from some overheard conversations of somebody who wasnt able to talk to these famous people esp LYA..
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Post by djanggum on Dec 6, 2006 17:55:57 GMT -5
Oh wait.. kiparang. I think I understand what you mean by LYA being cold.
During an interview with JJH, he said that she did not talk much to him, and this made the impression that LYA is not very outgoing. but the reality was that he said that she was so busy memorizing her lines and practicing her acting skills that she did not have time to get to talk with others much. I would assume that you would admit that LYA had a lot of lines to memorize, no?
* And especially with LYA being a perfectionist and her favorite phrase being "One more time" (a joke by Director of S4LV), I would assume that LYA really put all of her time into the drama.
ofcourse I know that my comments will not make antis change suddenly into fans, but I do know that people sometimes become antis by reading information that misleads them into thinking that the person is really what they are described as. ;(
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Post by wisely on Dec 8, 2006 3:43:18 GMT -5
Playing the multiple parts bit was pretty hilarious, wasn't it? ;D It was so fun that I think I was carried away. Does he mean that he is christinew, seoulsearcher n kiparang? If yes then he seems quite dishonest i think..
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Post by kiparang on Dec 8, 2006 11:44:37 GMT -5
I used them, not to deceive anybody in a malicious way but to fend off constant virulent attacks from some people, and to ask me right questions so that I could bring this thread to an appropriate conclusion. (But I was carried away.) Sorry about that, folks.
I can see that people are still in kind of shock from I said about LYA's personality. I was in shock myself when I heard it, because I was still a fan myself and wanted to believe her to be Janggeum personified.
My advice is: Be philosophical. Life's disappointments come from unexpected quarters. But try not to lose your love for K-dramas.
Or you could act as if you didn't hear anything, and keep on loving her. After all, the prime reason for watching movies and dramas is to be entertained by getting into an illusion, and to forget life's trouble for a while. For them, the best course would be to let this thread die and to hope people will forget the whole episode soon.
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Post by A Fan on Dec 10, 2006 10:02:34 GMT -5
OMG this thread is making me laugh. ;D
keke I mean I don't quite know who KHJ is, and actually I watched DJG and got interested in knowing more of LYA; which is a first for me, because I have never shown much interest in any actor/actress before. ;D
Anyway I bear no ill feelings to those who kinda "flamed" LYA, but I was a bit disturbed by the way some of the posts were phrased. It can really hurt. And forums are meant for friendly debate. Respect for other people from different cultures is really important.
I really do not know how reliable the so-called "inside" information is; I don't know if what kiparang and etc said of LYA is true--> "emotionally cold person"; because hmm that is the first time I've heard such a thing about LYA. Internet information IS subjective and sometimes you really doubt whether the other party is really who he/she say he/she is. It occurred to me that we CANNOTjudge these celebrities/stars just by some "inside" information, reliable or not. I mean, who are we to say "so-n-so is cold and unkind or whatever-nots" if we're just strangers who live outside their lives. They already have their hands full with their projects and all, plus stupid paparazzi that killed Princess Diana. And sometimes reports on them are just plain illusions and completely fiction. GAH. Just look at Full House. The "scandals"? Oh well you WILL argue it's just a drama, but I wouldn't doubt it doesn't happen in real life.
We will never understand a person unless we walk in his shoes.
So maybe we should just quit debating whose better and stronger.
(no offence meant if you feel offended)
;D
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