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Post by BungalowDweller on Oct 16, 2007 21:06:39 GMT -5
This was the most unbelieveable, unentertaining, disappointing episode in the entire show. NO WAY would DJY's men follow Mimosa! It was just, plain stupid.  The only part of tonight's program that was entertaining was Xue going to the Turks to plot against the Queen's plan by telling them to go to war against the Kaitans. Brilliant piece of strategy. Brilliantly executed, too. ;D |
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Oct 17, 2007 0:08:08 GMT -5
This was the most unbelieveable, unentertaining, disappointing episode in the entire show. NO WAY would DJY's men follow Mimosa! It was just, plain stupid. The only part of tonight's program that was entertaining was Xue going to the Turks to plot against the Queen's plan by telling them to go to war against the Kaitans. Brilliant piece of strategy. Brilliantly executed, too. ;D Actually, what I thought was really stupid was that this plan was actually hatched in the first place! Me thinks the storywriters are losing their touch and are just focusing on creating dramatic scenes without giving much thought to how they affect the overall pace of the story. It's not unique to Korean TV dramas. I've seen similar things done in super hero comic books.... Anyway, I found it ludicrous that the storywriters would have Mimosa concoct such a foolhardy scheme.....His character is far to intelligent and careful for something like that..... |
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Post by BungalowDweller on Oct 17, 2007 8:06:31 GMT -5
Gee, I thought of the super hero comix as well.  |
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Post by vickieh on Oct 17, 2007 8:54:30 GMT -5
It was a nail bitter. The fight was great. But the storyline wasn't right. Someone took a nap during the meeting.
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Post by Nalbal on Oct 17, 2007 15:35:04 GMT -5
Alright, so it was strange enough that Mimosa would think of such an idea (it seemed more like something Shin Hong would invent), but what struck me as the most unbelievable and most stupid of all was the fact that Gulsabiwu readily agreed with Mimosa, and was the first one to decide to go behind DJY's back. It doesn't make sense! Gulsabiwu never completely trusted Mimosa in the first place, and now he is the first person to betray his "brother"? What sort of nonsense is that?  Maybe he secretely drank that poisoned wine that he and the others supposedly didn't even touch in the last episode, or he's been staring at Geumlan too long. Either way, he's nuts. |
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Post by claire on Oct 17, 2007 18:35:36 GMT -5
I was only watching this 98EP on YOUtube and I don't understand Koean but I could sense that something not right when Gb and Sudol acted so surprised to see DJY. I agree with you it so stupid and no taste in part of the writer. The actor played it well though. There are so many stupid scene in the series and do not at all make sense. I think the writer should think twice before making stupid scene, since this is based on true historical drama. What do you think? I am not Korean, but I hate it when a writer messes up too much on history,just to add some scenes on the series. All in all because of Choi Su-Jong I will continue to watch the series and also some of the good actors in the series, but most of all because of DJY(CSJ). al_jongI am The >
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Post by JP Paulus on Oct 17, 2007 22:39:11 GMT -5
i definitely don't think this was the worst episode -- it did not have DJY/Chulin "romance" stuff, and the action scenes were pretty good. i guess i excuse it due to circumstances: - The Khan is gravely ill, and is not in control - Li Kaigu, who is VERY hostile to the Goguryean situation, is now in a place where he could commnd some harm to the Goguryeans - Shin Hing has quite a bit of freedom, so i am sure Mimosa knew shin Hong would take advantage of the situation - Tang has caused significant suspicion between Goguryean & Khitan. Even though WE know the truth, doesn't mean the characters see it that way - though loyal to DJY , his men are painfully aware of the tensions, and are men of action. They would like to do a first strike rather than be on the defensive in enemy territory - Mimosa has proven his worth over the years So that's what i think....am i alone? |
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Post by claire on Oct 18, 2007 0:17:08 GMT -5
No, you are not alone. I also agree with you that it is not the worst scene, maybe annoying. Anyways, all in all DJY is a very interesting series. Mostly because lots of good performing actors like Choi Su-Jong as DJY, and the actors that plays Heuk Sedul, Li Wen, Princess Suk-young(I like very much the scenes with her and DJY>,, what a lovely face) and not but not lease Dae Jung- Sang, maybe XUe Renguie and Hongpei.
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Oct 18, 2007 0:53:44 GMT -5
I am beginning to think that the events from eps. 96 through 98 make them among the worst in this series although they were among the most dramatic and perhaps visually appealing.....
First of all, Shin Hong's assassination plot - while that would have effectively taken out DYJ permanently, the immediate aftermath would have likely caused horrific consequences for Yingzhou. And even if Biwu Seudol, Mimosa, Geumlan, Tungso, and Gaepil were also murdered that same night, what would happen the following day? The entire country would wake up after a night filled with joy only to discover that a number of their great heroes had just been assassinated....It would have shaken the kingdom to its very foundations and Heaven help Li Kaigu because he would have a lot on his hands trying to stop thousands of outraged Goguryeons from rioting and ravaging the countryside.....Oh and it would just be a matter of time before Emperor Wu would notice all the chaos and send another massive army over there. I think Li Kaigu better keep his tactician on a short leash because he is beginning to outlive his usefulness.....
Another detail that seems to have been forgotten by the anti-DYJ folks from the within the Khitan ranks especially Shin Hong. That they have been led to believe that DYJ has even greater military forces back in Mt. Dongmo....During that meeting among both Goguryeon and Khitan officials when DYJ announced that his father was coming to the rescue with reinforcements, Shin Hong inquired as to the total size of DYJ's army, Mimosa replied by saying that 30 thousand that were heading to Yingzhou represented just a part of DYJ's total military force. (Of course, the Khitans didn't know that Mimosa was lying and that the soldiers marching to Yingzhou under DJS represented pretty much the entire Goguryeon army except for a handful left behind to protect the settlement and the surrounding areas....) So any effort by the Khitans to oppose DYJ has to take into consideration the fact that they thought DYJ could call on additional troops if necessary, something that seems to have been lost on Shin Hong, Li Kaigu, and their cohorts.....
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Oct 18, 2007 1:54:25 GMT -5
i definitely don't think this was the worst episode -- it did not have DJY/Chulin "romance" stuff, and the action scenes were pretty good. i guess i excuse it due to circumstances: - The Khan is gravely ill, and is not in control That whole episode where the Khan collapsed after hearing DJS admit to secretly sparing Xue Rengui's life was way too contrived, in my view, as I had mentioned previously....DJS explaining his actions by saying that he could not kill a man who had just lost everything instead of telling the truth, that DJS did so because General Xue had spared DJY's life many years before. Now what would have been embarrassing about telling the truth in front of all these people? Why reveal it only to his son instead of the entire gathering of officials? And besides, why was not anyone reminding the gathering that it was DJS that was leading that army of 30,000 that pretty much saved Yingzhou from the clutches of Xue Rengui? Hmmmm...but Li Kaigu does not have the credibility or respect that DJY has in the eyes of the King Li Jinzhong. Also, the combined Goguryeon army under his DYJ's direct command numbered around 40,000 (minus the casualties and including the 30,000 brought in by DJS....Li Kaigu along with the Khitan military staff knew that DJY's forces was largely responsible for routing the much larger Tang armies....Any sane person would have been thought it crazy to oppose DJY at this point in time especially when he had the full, enthusiastic support of the king and also that the Khitans regarded DJY as their hero and savior.... Shin Hong should have been hiding under a rock after being jailed for that assassination attempt....Even after being released, the cloud of suspicion hung heavily over his head since the king correctly believed that Sir Shin was involved. Why in the world was he even allowed to attend that meeting anyway and when he was blatantly accusing DYJ and DYS of high treason because of that incident with the Tang messenger, why didn't any from the Goguryeon side remind the gathering of DSJ's role in bringing in the additional reinforcements which effectively helped save Yingzhou, and no one bothered to mention that not long the defeat of the Tang army, Khitan military officers had made an attempt on General DJY's life? Shin Hong has the audacity to accuse DJY and DJS of treason when he himself was jailed for involvement in that plot to kill DJY? It would have made for a far more memorable scene.....I think the storywriters should pay far more close attention.... In my view, Mimosa is far too intelligent and analytical to come up with such a hare-brained plan....It seemed to me that the minds of both Shin Hong and Mimosa were on vacation when they hatched their respective schemes....Any such thought on Mimosa's part could have easily ended had DJY explained in an intelligent manner why it would not have worked.....But even Mimosa could have easily figured out that any attempt to seize control of Yingzhou could likely erupt into a major civil war within the country with thousands dead......Mimosa's head wouldn't have been enough to pay for all the chaos and suffering his plan would have caused..... |
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Oct 18, 2007 21:05:53 GMT -5
Alright, so it was strange enough that Mimosa would think of such an idea (it seemed more like something Shin Hong would invent), but what struck me as the most unbelievable and most stupid of all was the fact that Gulsabiwu readily agreed with Mimosa, and was the first one to decide to go behind DJY's back. It doesn't make sense! Gulsabiwu never completely trusted Mimosa in the first place, and now he is the first person to betray his "brother"? What sort of nonsense is that? Maybe he secretely drank that poisoned wine that he and the others supposedly didn't even touch in the last episode, or he's been staring at Geumlan too long. Either way, he's nuts. If I remember the scenes correctly, Biwu and Seudol were initially opposed to the idea...Vehmently opposed, in fact....The notion of contradicting a direct order of DJY was so unthinkable! Oddly enough, I did not find it surprising when they finally came around to getting involved and I place most of the blame on DJY's lap for not properly articulating a strategy to deal with the rapidly deteriorating situation around them......DJY should have been on his knees thanking Mimosa, Biwu, and the rest for having the presence of mind to remain all clean, sober, and ready to fight the assassins sent to kill DJY....What was DJY's response to the arrest of the perpetrators? He urged King Jinzhong to have them released even though everyone knew they were guilty as sin! It was actually a prudent action, but that certainly didn't go over very well with Biwu, Mimosa, and the rest of the gang.....After all, if Shin Hong and his lackeys could get away with doing something as outrageous as an assassination attempt and get away with it, what other sort of mischief could they also hatch now that they were free again? DJY should have gotten off his self-righteous high horse and developed a plan designed to get them out of the mess they were in..... |
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Post by ajk on Oct 21, 2007 11:41:31 GMT -5
Yeah, we seem to have slipped into another one of those anything-to-add-to-the-storyline periods. We had a real good sequence of episodes up through 96, but 97 and 98 are going in strange directions and I don’t like them either.
The whole idea that immediately after fighting a war, your enemy shows up and tells you things and you immediately take them seriously and even act on them...I don’t think so. Why any of the Khitans or Goguryeans would do anything else with the Tang envoys other than just turn them around and send them home, much less allow themselves to get all worked up about what the envoys said, they just aren’t that naive. And the Khan, after trusting DJY so completely for so long, literally having a coronary because the envoy made an accusation, come on. And would the Turks really attack Yingzhou just because Xue Rengui showed up and told them to? Strategically that would be an idiotic thing to do, so I certainly hope they don’t.
The thing that I disliked most was DJS admitting to the Khitans that he spared Xue Rengui. After all, he had denied it to his own fellow officers on the battlefield! All he had to do was deny it one more time, and then the envoy would have been thrown out and the whole thing never would have gotten out of hand. It was just absurd. It made the new storyline possible, but it was absurd.
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Post by carla4100 on Nov 2, 2007 17:02:39 GMT -5
I would just like to know if DJY is ever going to find out about his son by Chulin? I live in St. Louis. And we are way behind you guys.
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Post by ajk on Nov 3, 2007 10:54:48 GMT -5
Hi Carla, and welcome to the forum. I don't know how much you want to know about what happens in future episodes; we all try to be very careful about "spoilers" here and don't want to ruin anybody else's enjoyment of what's coming up for them. What episode are you up to in St. Louis? (I didn't even know St. Louis had a station showing the series.)
Since you're reading the episode 98 thread, I'll answer the question for you as of 98: He doesn't know yet, but it's looking like it won't be a secret for much longer. If you go into the spoiler thread, you'll get information on episodes that have aired in Korea but not in Chicago (I think they're 20 episodes or so ahead of us). And you may get a more complete answer there, but you'll also read a lot of stuff that you might not want to know. I always avoid the spoiler thread because I don't want to know anything in advance, but everybody's different and it's up to you.
Anyway, again welcome.
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