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Post by Alexa on Aug 6, 2007 21:02:10 GMT -5
well I never saw this one coming: Dae Jo Young, vowing loyalty to the Tang Chinese!!! AND it was all Mimosa's plan!!!!!! what's next? and how in the world is he going to found his own empire?
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Post by zorro on Aug 6, 2007 22:09:42 GMT -5
Well… after all that, I bet he never ever again asks "What's a guy have to do around here to get a job guarding the North Gate?" (Hey AJK, I take that back about Chulin! She dispatched those palace servants without so much as a blink. Maybe she really did poison the cups. As if we'll ever find out…)
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Post by JP Paulus on Aug 7, 2007 13:58:02 GMT -5
That "vowing loyalty to Tang" makes me uneasy..it's one thing for what Mimosa did to the Turks (they didn't live up to their end of the bargain fully, and tried to break their agreement), but how will Dae Jo Young get out of this?
And Dae Jungsang a part of Tang? i don't need "truth" to tell me how off base that is.
However, i did like the resolution with Chulin & Sukyoung. i thought Sukyong was the better fit for DJY, and i like her courage. And through this ep, i appreciate Chulin more, and her loyalty & respect for Sukyoung.
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Nalbal
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Post by Nalbal on Aug 7, 2007 14:11:21 GMT -5
But didn't DJY vow loyalty to the Empress? It's probably just my poor memory but I don't recall him actually saying that he vowed loyalty to Tang. Not that it makes much of a difference but you never know...
And what if DJY asks the Empress a year later if she still has the locks of hair from him and his men? If she says "no", Mimosa can say "No hair, no loyalty, no Dae Joy Young. We're outta here!" ;D
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Post by ajk on Aug 8, 2007 13:01:00 GMT -5
Heuk Sedol Tuesday (#78): "What's wrong with my brain? How come I don't get this?" You and me both, pal. Maybe I'm the only one, but I thought #77 was the worst episode of the whole series so far, and #78 wasn't far behind. As #76 ends, DJY has important hostages and you expect him to be negotiating his way out of Mt. Guifu. Then #77 starts, he meekly walks out and hands over the hostages, swears loyalty to Tang and even pours Xue Rengui a drink?!? Are you kidding me? And then the empress gives him control over one of the city gates?!? To a guy who's been fighting Tang his whole life and has proven he can hide large groups of soldiers and spies? What an absolutely ridiculous turn for all of this to take. Even Li Kaigu wasn't buying it--you could see it in is face (and remember, this is a guy who still believes they're going to give him Yingzhou!). I kept wondering what the Korean viewers were thinking watching this, and wouldn't they be horrified by the very idea of this great historical figure who was never even in Tang in the first place swearing loyalty to it.
And that scene at the end of #78 with King Bojang, that should have been one of the most important, most played-up scenes of the whole series but they treated it like almost an afterthought. They should have built a whole episode around it.
The one good part of this is that we're seeing plenty of the empress. She's a real interesting character--you never know what she's going to come up with. But small consolation.
When truth first told us that they were going to extend the series, this kind of stuff was exactly what I was afraid would happen--they would break open the historical storyline to go off into odd directions for the sake of filling more episodes. But this is beyond odd. I was just disgusted by it, treating the viewers like we're so gullible we'll go along with anything just to keep the series going.
Did anybody else react negatively to it? The board has been very quiet today. I'd be very interested to hear everyone else's opinions.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Aug 8, 2007 20:53:48 GMT -5
I haven't been on the board lately but have been faithfully watching the episodes. I agree that it was profoundly upsetting seeing DJY appear to give his allegiance to Tang, but he speaks with "forked tongue" I think that DJY understands that the order of the day is to physically survive. He can't revive Goguryeo if he's dead. I also think that although the story line has weaved about, the message of choosing personal survival in the face of a lost cause (i.e. occupation of Korea by Japan) or in DJY's case, the loss of a war, does not necessarily a traitor make. Perhaps the greater message here is that anyone who faces overwhelming odds and is forced to choose between the unthinkable and survival is not a bad person for choosing survival. There are enough martyrs. Survival means living to fight another day, another way.
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Post by aosy on Aug 8, 2007 21:23:47 GMT -5
Agree with BD. Your analysis is exactly my sentiments. Whichever way he chose to go affects not only himself but the hundred of lifes that had followed him to come out alive. In fact DJY couldn't bring himself to vow allegiance and betrayed his fellow comrades in face of Xue Rengui's ultimatum and it was only after those guys starting to vow allegiance to follow him in whatever way he decided that he finally did it.
BD hits the nail, without life, there will be no revivial.
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Post by chocopie on Aug 16, 2007 22:41:34 GMT -5
I think DJY vowed his allegiance to the queen mostly to save his men served him the mountain prison and the "man" hunt. He also realized that it was probably his only way to survive and have a chance to resurrect his home country and stay honorable to his men.
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