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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 10, 2007 21:57:20 GMT -5
Who would have thought that Dae Jo Young is a Three Stooges fan??? ;D ;D ;D He uses the "Moe" maneuver to render Lurch blind and is able to finish him off!
Too bad, Li. Looks like DJY has had the last nyuk, nyuk, nyuk! ;D
And that Lurch is one ugly dude! Wherever was he dug up from? Looks like Frankenstein's brother!
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Post by kathleen34 on Jul 10, 2007 22:12:30 GMT -5
Lurch scared me and I was seated safely and securely in my Oak Park condo. Great makeup job ... grotesque . The slow-motion shot of Lurch going down with the blood squirting out of his back was outstanding.
I am so weary of seeing DJG and his pals getting pummeled and bloody. When will LiWen be on the receiving end to wipe that rodent snear off of his creepy face.
Ok... I'm done now. Bungalowdweller, your 3 stooges comparison was wonderful.
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Post by zorro on Jul 10, 2007 22:28:32 GMT -5
BD I had the *exact* same thought as you, but never could have written it as well as you just did. ;D And I call him "Lurch" because he looks (looked) like Ted Cassidy who played Lurch on "The Addams Family" Glad to see you back.
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Post by ajk on Jul 11, 2007 11:23:48 GMT -5
You read my mind, BD, the old Moe Howard eye poke. I had to laugh. And Moe credited Shemp with creating it...who knew he actually stole it from 7th-century Goguryeo!
The goon does look like Lurch, but he also reminded me of that Jaws character in a couple of the James Bond movies. The way he kept flashing his teeth, and the way he was manhandling the good guy.
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Post by soapygrams on Jul 11, 2007 13:51:13 GMT -5
. . . And that Lurch is one ugly dude! Wherever was he dug up from? Looks like Frankenstein's brother! Do you remember Andre the Giant? He was a part-time wrestler and a character actor in many movies. I'm not sure if he was old enough to have been in the Bond movies but he was in more recent movies that I cannot remember the titles; one a adventure/comedy of midevial time period and Billy Crystal and Carol Kane had small parts too. I don't know if it was Princess Bride or not? Andre and the man playing "Lurch" in this series, seem to be persons who are afflicted with a endrocrine condition called "giantism". Here is the medical name and a brief description from Mayo Clinic and Mosby's Medical Encyclopedia: Acromegaly is an uncommon hormonal disorder that develops when your pituitary gland produces too much growth hormone during adulthood. When this happens, your bones increase in size, including those of your hands, feet and face. The term "acromegaly" is derived from the Greek words for extremities and enlargement. Acromegaly usually affects middle-aged adults. In children who are still growing, too much growth hormone can cause a condition called gigantism. These children have exaggerated bone growth and an abnormal increase in height. Because acromegaly is so uncommon and the physical changes occur so gradually, doctors often don't recognize it immediately. If not treated promptly, acromegaly can lead to serious illness and even become life-threatening. Treatment of acromegaly involves approaches to lower your production of growth hormone . [Mayo}acromegaly /ak'rmeg'le/, also called acromegalia. A long-term problem in which bones of the face, jaw, arms, and legs get larger. It occurs in middle-aged patients. It is caused by too much growth hormone. It is treated by x-rays to shrink the pituitary, or part of the pituitary gland is removed. Compare gigantism. See also adenohypophysis, growth hormone. [Mosby's Medical Encly]Both Andre and Lurch have the classic symptoms: very tall, very long face, prominent jaw, heavy brow ridge, unusual looking teeth and a shorter than average life expectancy. Andre died sometime within the last 10 years. "Lurch's" gleeful smile at the physical damage he is doing is very frightening -- a good actor no doubt ~ plus he doesn’t need a whole lot of make-up. ;D
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Post by Nalbal on Jul 11, 2007 13:54:23 GMT -5
Lol, and I thought I was the only one who saw that DJY did a Moe! ;D Nicely said, BD! And to say that Wugol (sp?) looked like Lurch is hardly fair to the "real" Lurch. Even Lurch isn't that creepy! This guy was like a deranged animal! At any rate, he sure snarled and growled like one...(anyone remember the reaction on the faces of Wen's officers? When Wugol broke the table? I starting lol'ing when the one officer had his jaw down as low it can go! Watch out, bub...screens haven't been invented yet. Better close your mouth before a fly gets in!) Did anyone else notice that while DJY's hair grew, his facial hair remained perfect? I suppose they had to let the guy look at least a little handsome for the show .
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Post by Soju on Jul 11, 2007 15:57:11 GMT -5
. . . When will LiWen be on the receiving end to wipe that rodent snear off of his creepy face. Not going to happen. At an early age, Li-wen ignored all the adults who told him, "If you don't stop making that face, it'll freeze like that." He just kept on sneering, and, sure enough, it froze like that! ;D
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Post by pip on Jul 11, 2007 18:00:43 GMT -5
I'm a newcomer to this board. I, too, thought I was the only one who thought of Moe Howard when DJY gave Wugol the eye-poke. I guess I'm in good company.
Wugol does appear to have acromegaly, as does actor Richard Kiel, who played "Jaws" in "the Spy Who Loved Me" and "Moonraker." To digress for a moment, think of actor Paul Benedict, who is best remembered as Mr. Bentley on "The Jeffersons." He, too, had acromegaly, but his was treated before he developed the gross distortions seen in the other actors.
Did anyone else think that, perhaps, the fight to the death was symbolic? I wondered if Wugol represented the giant Tang dynasty, which grew accustomed to crushing opposition with no trouble at all. Then, just as it appeared that DJY - - representing Goguryeo - - would die, he springs to life and defeats his foe, symbolizing (my guess) a rebirth for Goguryeo. Just a thought.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 11, 2007 19:12:27 GMT -5
Did anyone else think that, perhaps, the fight to the death was symbolic? I wondered if Wugol represented the giant Tang dynasty, which grew accustomed to crushing opposition with no trouble at all. Then, just as it appeared that DJY - - representing Goguryeo - - would die, he springs to life and defeats his foe, symbolizing (my guess) a rebirth for Goguryeo. Just a thought. \\ Interesting analogy. . .I thought of the fight in biblical terms--David slays Goliath. Part of the reason for that, I guess, is the entire "taking" of DJY---his march into the town, the bloody feet, being whipped and falling and of course his public "crucifixion", sans cross. Hanging between two other baddies...well, he was in the front and they were in the back but to me the Christian imagery was unmistakeable. DJY suffering and giving his life for the nation, etc. Some good episodes, but I agree with Kathleen. Good---but bloody. Emotionally intense. It's good to be back on the board. Between the usual graduations (my only finished 8th) performances, etc. I was watching but couldn't keep up with it all on-line. It's wonderful to see New Yorkers back. Greetings to Skinz and the rest of that crowd as well.
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Post by Nalbal on Jul 15, 2007 13:49:53 GMT -5
I have to post my thoughts faster than I do now, or they will surely be posted by someone else! BD, the same comparisons had crossed my mind as well, especially with the scene where he was on the march to Chang'an. The similarity of DJY on the "torture rack" and Christ on the cross didn't occur to me until later, but it does seem to me to be an obvious comparison. Perhaps, should we say "Dae-vid and Goliath", for epi. 70? These last two episodes have been very emotionally demanding, without a doubt.
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Post by ajk on Jul 15, 2007 15:14:13 GMT -5
Wow, that Jesus business is a GREAT observation. Never occurred to me when I was watching, but it certainly deserves mention. I wonder if that's what was intended...it seems too unlikely to be a coincidence. Almost hope it was, though, because I'm not sure I care for the notion that it was a deliberate analogy.
Pip, thanks, I couldn't remember the guy's name...Richard Kiel. The way they had Wugol act out the battle, it seemed very much like some of those Bond scenes with the Jaws character. THAT probably was no coincidence.
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Post by pip on Jul 17, 2007 12:16:21 GMT -5
I wondered about a Jesus comparison as I watched DJY's forced march into the city and his hanging, but I was very unsure about it. Why would contemporary Korean TV producers liken DJY to Jesus? Would it be because they want to drive home the idea of a savior? Then again, maybe my reaction to those scenes were the products of my own Christianity and familiarity with the Gospel story. I'm just not sure.
I stand by my belief that Wugol represented Tang as a giant, crushing bully who went up against a much smaller Goguryeo and was defeated by him in a surprise ending. I really thought there was a David and Goliath comparison there, as said in other posts, but the brutal fight made me reconsider that possiblity. After all, David felled Goliath with much less effort.
AJK, do you think the Wugol/Jaws fight scene was a comparison, or do you think that there's only so much that can be done with an evil giant who's fighting? Personally, I don't recall those James Bond movies well at all.
I may overthink this show and what it means...
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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 17, 2007 15:34:59 GMT -5
I wondered about a Jesus comparison as I watched DJY's forced march into the city and his hanging, but I was very unsure about it. Why would contemporary Korean TV producers liken DJY to Jesus? Would it be because they want to drive home the idea of a savior? Then again, maybe my reaction to those scenes were the products of my own Christianity and familiarity with the Gospel story. I'm just not sure. I stand by my belief that Wugol represented Tang as a giant, crushing bully who went up against a much smaller Goguryeo and was defeated by him in a surprise ending. I really thought there was a David and Goliath comparison there, as said in other posts, but the brutal fight made me reconsider that possiblity. After all, David felled Goliath with much less effort. AJK, do you think the Wugol/Jaws fight scene was a comparison, or do you think that there's only so much that can be done with an evil giant who's fighting? Personally, I don't recall those James Bond movies well at all. I may overthink this show and what it means... Like Jesus, DJY appeared to come from a humble background. His "imperial energy" is like that of Christ's when he (Jesus) lay down his authority to take on the image of a man. The gospel account of Mark, written for the Romans, depicts the life of Christ as that of a servant. DJY is born under a certain star. His identity is shrouded from himself. He lives simply as a servant. He leads his people in an attempt to restore Goguryeo. He lives to serve the people. DJY is a powerful symbol of nationalistic sacrifice. He Was a national savior/warrior, fighting for the dignity and justice of his people. Although DJY never heard the story of Jesus, his life (as depicted here) has many interesting Christ-like elements. The righteous, suffering servant, etc. I'm certain that this was not random or accidental. And you are right on with Wugol as Tang. ;D
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Post by pip on Jul 17, 2007 15:46:55 GMT -5
Here is where I'm at a disadvantage - - I missed all episodes until DJY was a young man, just meeting Gulsabiwu, and still known by a different name. Also, I missed a number of episodes after that because I didn't know DJY was being shown twice/week. I know nothing about the early years. I am hopeful that I can see what I missed some day.
Having said all that, thank you for helpful bits and pieces in the overall view of this show and of DJY.
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Post by JP Paulus on Jul 17, 2007 15:58:40 GMT -5
Pip, if you (or a friend) has Comcast digital cable, it's on AZN, starting tomorrow! (Yeesh -- i really HATE to sound like a commercial for Comcast!) So TODAY (or tomorrow if you read it soon enough) is the day to catch up!
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