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Post by 20 on Oct 4, 2005 17:43:14 GMT -5
The battle of Jolido.
In my opinion, this was probably TOO easy for YSS. I mean the Japanese knew that YSS took them down with 13 ships and they sent a mere 100 when they had knowledge that our great admiral had 83? Not to mention that Ming allied with Chosun so they had a bunch of man power, and to top things off, they headed straight for the headquarters. Japan had no chance.
You'd think after all that, Japan would know better. Is this true?
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Post by florel on Oct 7, 2005 17:53:34 GMT -5
19th July 1598 - the Sea Battle of Jeol-yi Island (aka Jolido)- attack : Japanese troops under Konishi Yukinaga - defence : Yi Soon-Shin - Forces of Chosun Navy : 85 warships, 85 boats, 16,865 troops. - Forces of Japanese Navy : 100 (or 200) vessels and 16,000-1,8000 troops. - Damage of Japanese Navy : 50 vessles sunk and other 50 vessels seriously damaged. - Damage of Chosun Navu : about 30 wounded and dead. - Notable incident : The Mings were not engaged in the battle. But Chen Lin snatched 40 Japanese heads from YSS.
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Post by 20 on Oct 9, 2005 17:45:29 GMT -5
Well that clears things up. Thanks.
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Oct 10, 2005 19:03:23 GMT -5
I'm going to assume the Japanese had cannons.... how is it that they couldn't sink one ship?? -_- the drama says 16,000 were killed but I guess that's not true cause there wouldn't be much of a crew left to move the rest of the ships and Jin Lin, he is annoying me. Admiral Yi should've thrown him overboard his ship sometime :/
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Post by dspR on Oct 11, 2005 3:52:35 GMT -5
I loved the part when YSS said.. "Show command and dignity worthy of Great Ming!" Then he slams his sword on the table with great ferocity and shows his back towards Jin Lin.
I can't get enough of that part. :\
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Post by cafetacbva on Oct 11, 2005 12:10:32 GMT -5
Dear Florel, How many people actually died?
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Post by florel on Oct 11, 2005 16:27:11 GMT -5
A secondary source I found is assuming that 6,000 Japanese soldiers would be killed in the Sea Battle of Jeol-yi Island. 16,000-18,000 are an assumed number of the total forces, so it's certainly exaggerated to say that 16,000 were killed.
YSS was not interested in collecting enemy's heads. He sank Japanese vessels with their crew into the bottom of the sea and he only counted the number of sunken ships. Obviously there were also many dead and wounded in other vessels. So the number of human lost is always an assumption.
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Post by Alexa on Oct 11, 2005 21:08:01 GMT -5
I loved the part when YSS said.. "Show command and dignity worthy of Great Ming!" Then he slams his sword on the table with great ferocity and shows his back towards Jin Lin. :\ I love that scene too, everybody pulling out their swords including YSS, and telling that Ming leader that he was not worthy of being a warrior (something like that) That Ming Commander really gets on my nerves, the way he carries himself with such arrogance thinking he is better then YSS is so annoying. Why can't he give YSS some respect? YSS never disrespected him in any way, and YSS said himself that he basically had to beg him to fight, he never treated the Ming commander bad. Well until he pulled his sword on him, but hey who can blame him. That Ming guy had it coming And what is up with Minister Yoon and that other guy? This war has been going on for 7 years and now that they are so closing to ending it, all they can think about is how to get rid of YSS? They are so full of greed and selfishness. Somebody needs to take them out! Why can't they see that if it weren't for YSS, they wouldn't be alive? How can they be so worried about politics at a time like that?
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Post by cafetacbva on Oct 12, 2005 1:45:51 GMT -5
Florel, where the chosun people under the rule of the ming as I figured.
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Post by cafetacbva on Oct 12, 2005 1:47:05 GMT -5
A new topic for the ladies and men, who is the hottest guy on the show, and for the men who is the hottest lady?
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Post by cafetacbva on Oct 12, 2005 1:52:21 GMT -5
Hang akia is sexy, because she was spy, and actually did stuff, what ever happend to her it's like she fall off the face of the earth.
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Post by chigirl68 on Oct 12, 2005 7:31:10 GMT -5
A new topic for the ladies and men, who is the hottest guy on the show, and for the men who is the hottest lady? I will suggest you start a new thread for this and keep this on on the topic in the header (ep. 99). I'll also suggest this type of topic be in the tangents board. I think there was a topic like this but I can't seem to find it this morning. Sorry, still sleepy.
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Post by florel on Oct 12, 2005 13:52:13 GMT -5
Florel, where the chosun people under the rule of the ming as I figured. A characteristic of international relationship during Chosun period can be found in the fact that Chosun Dynasty was a part of Ming's "tribute" system under which Chosun maintained its independence but recognized China as a "cultural superior". In this epoch, all foreign countries had to be incorportated into this tribute system in order to trade with Ming China. (Cf. Did China Have A Tribute System?) And the Chosunese sinophile kings and aristocrats vouluntarily adhered to the tribute system of Ming Empire and gained economic profits. They even believed that only the Ming Chinese and the Chosunese were "cultivated" people and considered others as "barbarians". This cultural arrogancy made the Chosunese have neglected and ignored other important neighbors such as Jurchens and the Japanese. Regarding Chosun-Ming relation during the Imjin War, I quote some lines from this page, written by Kirk Larsen, a specialist of Chosun-China relationship. "... Aside from the above-mentioned ritual expressions of inequality and hierarchy, the Chinese and Koreans kept each other at arms length. Other forms of interaction—trade, travel, even letter writing—were severely restricted if not prohibited outright. Neither the Ming nor the Qing directly interfered in Korean domestic affairs. The only exception to this rule was in times of emergency, such as when Hideyoshi invaded Korea in the 1590s. At that time, Korea’s Ming suzerain sent troops to help protect its vassal and heavily meddled in affairs of the court. But once the crisis was over, the Chinese armies went home and things returned to normal."
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Post by pakyownage4eva on Oct 12, 2005 16:12:43 GMT -5
I hate Yoon Du Su. how stuck up does he have to be to scheme about stupid politics when so many people are dying, and he hasn't lifted a finger?
he should've been killed, seriously, along with Sunjo.
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