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Post by skinz on Oct 17, 2005 12:40:29 GMT -5
I don't understand Hideyoshi's selection of so-young-commanders-in-chief. Both Ukida and Hideaki were 20 years old when they became commander-in-chief respectively in 1592 and in 1597. Perhaps more manipulatable than the aged Samurais ? Well, I'm sure in that time 20 years old was like being 30 today. Remember, many were trained in military training since age 6-7 years old. So I'm sure when you turned 20, you had some battles in your lifetime already. If you compare a person beginning Military training at the age of 18 to join the army to being trained since age 6, it's obvious who will have the upperhand in battle.
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Post by florel on Oct 17, 2005 15:54:55 GMT -5
Skinz, I agree with you that the medieval men's conception of age was different from that of contemporary men. Also, in many cases (though not always), competence counts more than age. In history, we can find genius who made spectacular accomplishment in early age. At the same time, there were also those who accomplished something in late age as like Kwon Yul (1537-1599). Until his 30's, Kwon Yul was a lazybones who killed time with drinking, traveling, playing and slugging. He started preparing the examination for civil officials after the death of his father, the former Prime Minister Kwon Chul (1503-1578). He passed the exam when he was 45 in 1582. His son-in-law Yi Hang-Bok (1556-1618, the Minister of War in IYSS) already passed the exam two years earlier than him in 1580. Kwon Yul became Commander-in-chief when he was 56 in 1593. In the drama, Kwon Yul brandishes his sword against the Japanese soldiers in body combats. But in real history, he certainly didn't and couldn't do it.
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Post by skinz on Oct 17, 2005 16:23:23 GMT -5
Hey Florel, that's very interesting about Kwon Yul. Yi Soon Shin also started late in his career, right? That's incredible because most people died rather young in medieval time and barely seen 50 or 60 years old. Considering the diseases that was spreading plus unclean water and etc, I think there should be a show on what YSS was eating instead of his legendary battles. ;D
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Post by florel on Oct 18, 2005 18:46:50 GMT -5
Yi Soon Shin also started late in his career, right? Yeah, he started learning martial arts and preparing the military examination when he was 21 (in 1566). YSS passed the exam in 1576 at the age of 31 (32 with Korean age) after having failed once when he was 27 (in 1572). But it was not excessively late because many Chosunese military officers passed it between late 20's and 30's. But he didn't get a fast promotion in his earlier career. Do you remember this guy ? Constable Yi Kyung-Rok (1543-1599) He was YSS's superior commander when YSS was in Chosan Fort ( - Ep. 25-35). This is the guy who was jailed along with YSS after the Battle of Nok Dune Island. Constable Yi was two years older than YSS and passed the military examination in the same year with YSS (in 1576). But he had already become a constable (3rd Low Rank) when YSS only was Captain of Chosan Fort (4th Low Rank) in 1586-1588. That's incredible because most people died rather young in medieval time and barely seen 50 or 60 years old. Considering the diseases that was spreading plus unclean water and etc, I think there should be a show on what YSS was eating instead of his legendary battles. ;D Traditionally, Koreans have held a great feast for the sixtieth anniversary. Only a part of men and women could survive over this age until Chosun period. Now the celebration of the sixtieth anniversary is becoming more and more out of vogue and modern Koreans prefer to have a special feast from the seventieth anniversary. BTW, it would be funny if someone make a show featuring the young Kwon Yul who can practice martial arts and who seems to be a bully-boy but actually a righteous man. ;D
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Post by skinz on Oct 19, 2005 15:38:52 GMT -5
Great banner Florel Two Thumbs way up!!
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Post by captainamazing on Oct 19, 2005 18:30:22 GMT -5
Do you remember this guy ? Constable Yi Kyung-Rok (1543-1599) He was YSS's superior commander when YSS was in Chosan Fort ( - Ep. 25-35). This is the guy who was jailed along with YSS after the Battle of Nok Dune Island. Constable Yi was two years older than YSS and passed the military examination in the same year with YSS (in 1576). But he had already become a constable (3rd Low Rank) when YSS only was Captain of Chosan Fort (4th Low Rank) in 1586-1588. Wow, he was there a very long time ago, like 70 episodes ago. What happened to him during the war? Since he died in 1599, I assume he served during the war yet survived.
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Post by florel on Oct 19, 2005 22:41:05 GMT -5
Great banner Florel Two Thumbs way up!! Thanks, Skinz. I luv costumes and armors of AOW (at the same time with its characters and storytelling, of course). Do you remember this guy ? Constable Yi Kyung-Rok (1543-1599) He was YSS's superior commander when YSS was in Chosan Fort ( - Ep. 25-35). This is the guy who was jailed along with YSS after the Battle of Nok Dune Island. Constable Yi was two years older than YSS and passed the military examination in the same year with YSS (in 1576). But he had already become a constable (3rd Low Rank) when YSS only was Captain of Chosan Fort (4th Low Rank) in 1586-1588. Wow, he was there a very long time ago, like 70 episodes ago. What happened to him during the war? Since he died in 1599, I assume he served during the war yet survived. In 1592, Yi Kyung-Rok was appointed Constable of Naju, Cholla province. So he should have shown up in the Battle of Young-In (June 1592) along with Yi Kwang and Kwon Yul. He participated in this battle in real history. But we didn't see him in the drama. Is it because the dramatists just forgot him or because they intentionally dropped this minor character ? Constable Yi became High Constable Jeju between 1593 and 1598. So he stayed the whole years of the war on Jeju Island and was not directly engaged in battles. (* Jeju Island was a supply base during the Imjin War.)
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