I'm back!!! Some late info about the second war

[skinz]

Anyway, I haven't watched the show since episode 94, but I haven't stop some research on the imjin war.

here's some late info:

The commander in chief of the Japanese in the second invasion was Kobayakawa Hideaki. (I might be wrong on this, but I'm quite sure this is correct)


He look so timid and nervous. lol


How old were some of the participants? Well, lets find out and see if the actors portray them right.



YSS was 53 in 1598. (I still see no gray hair. Guess he really was immortal)



Kwon Yul was 61 in 1598. (I see gray hair, but not a drop of wrinkle in sight)




King Sonjo was 46 in 1598. (I guess he look the part, but I want more wrinkles)



Prince Kwang-Hae was 24 years old in 1598




Ryu Seong-ryong was 56 in 1598. (more gray less black)




in 1598, shimazu was 63 years old.



Wakizaka was 44 in 1598. (does the actor look 44? I don't think so)



Konishi was 43 years old in 1598 (Odd that Konishi looks older than Wakizaka)



Todo was 42 years old. (I see no wrinkles)



Kiyomasa was only 36 in 1598 (the baby of the bunch ha!)



Genzo was 55 in 1592 and 61 in 1598. ( Genzo should be older)



Jotai was 50 in 1598 (Jotai look older than genzo)



Tagake was 61 in 1598 (now he's old and looks the part)




Hideyoshi was 62 in 1598. (He looks the part. Look at his skin, his forehand is practically collapsing)


If anyone know more feel free to add in.

Anyway, some more info:

Remember So Yoshitoshi?


Well, historically, So Yoshitoshi joined Togukawa after the war of sekigahara and the battle of Osaka. He tried to negotiate peace with korea in 1599, but his messengers were sent to beijing by the remaining Ming troops still in korea. In 1601, So sent his envoys to Seoul and returned korean captives in Tsushima. in 1604, So and two Korean envoys met Togukawa where 2,000+ were released.

The Korean officials were actually using Japan has a method on getting Ming out (Guess the aid turned to the enemy real quick)


Also, in the drama, Hideyoshi is seen as a warrior who must defeat YSS for his honor and want the chosun Navy to be DESTROYED!!!!

Actually, Hideyoshi in the second invasion was more like King Sonjo in a way. Hideyoshi was very very obsessed with setting his heir,Hideyori, to be a great ruler. He had five men to swear loyalty to his son if anything went wrong. (Togukawa had other things in mind)
And during those two years, Hideyoshi mostly had parties, festivals, and drunk a lot. While his men were dying in korea, he was having a good ole time getting hammered and enjoying plays and dances.

The fictional character Gohemon in the drama series is a great illustration on how most felt about him at that time and went to togukawa side. His once illustrious image on conquering Japan was tarnished in the last few years of his life.

[TheBo]

Skinz, your remark on Hideyoshi's skin wig is hilarious. "Practically collapsing." Hah, hah, hah...

I think you must not know many people in their 40s if you think they should be so wrinkly. People don't usually develop very deep wrinkles until they are much older than that. However, I will say that if you are a warrior (or in particular a SAILOR) out in the sun all the time, you get pretty darned wrinkly pretty darned fast. So you have a point.

Bo

[florel]

Welcome back home, Skinz ! ;D

skinz said:

The commander in chief of the Japanese in the second invasion was Kobayakawa Hideaki. (I might be wrong on this, but I'm quite sure this is correct)

I think you're right. I also heard that Kobayakawa Hideaki was the commander in chief in the second invasion. (BTW, why was Ukida Hieide fired from his post of chief commander ? Because of the failure of the first invasion ? Anyway he came back to Chosun with his troops.)

Todo Takatora was the chief commander of the Japanese navy in the battles of Chilchonryang and of Myungryang.



And interesting age comparison. I'll add more observations. ;D



This photo of YSS was in Episode 40's before the invasion. In 1591, he was 46. No huge objection on my part, because Asian people look very young until 30's and 40's and there are also some men or women who look spectacularly young. (When I was 25, even Koreans thought that I would have been 18. ;D)


Another photo of the Admiral in Episode 104 when he was 53.



Having more gray, but he needs more wrinkles.




Chung Tak (1526-1605)

He was 66 in 1592 and 72 in 1598. lol




Kim Wan (1546-1607)

One year younger than YSS. He was 52 in 1598. But he has no gray until now.




Commander Shin Rip (1546-1592)

Also One year younger than YSS. Died at the age of 46.
Can you believe that he was in the same age with Kim Wan ?




Yi Won-Ik (1547-1634)

He was 51 in 1598. In real history, he was younger than YSS, Shin Rip and Kim Wan, but in the drama he looks older than YSS and Kim Wan. Hmm...hmm...hmmm....




YI Il (1538-1601)

Too young ! He was 54 in 1592.




Commander Kim Eung-Suh (1564-1624)

He was 28 in 1592 and 33 years old in 1597. But the actor looks much older than YSS !




Yi Ok-Ki (1561-1597)

He was 31 in 1592 and 36 in 1597. IMO the actor looks a little bit older.






Mrs. Yi in the drama. I guess I heard that the real age of the actress is 31 or 32. She looks very young !

[cafetacbva]

Who cares what they look like, the show is great, maybe the ages can be off with the actors, but who cares it's about the story line. And most people in their 40's don't get wrinkles, everybody body ages different. So if you want to get technical, then complain to the directors, because O'm pretty you couldn't make a cast and show like this one. The characters are just fine. TheBo your right on this one, by the way my name is charles can't wait for the party.

[pakyownage4eva]

thebo said:

I think you must not know many people in their 40s if you think they should be so wrinkly. People don't usually develop very deep wrinkles until they are much older than that. However, I will say that if you are a warrior (or in particular a SAILOR) out in the sun all the time, you get pretty darned wrinkly pretty darned fast. So you have a point.

Bo

lo. Women would know wouldn't they...

it's the tofu! Tofu has magical powers.

And Yi Sun SHin's wife is beautiful IMO in real life.

And looking at everyone's age, I have to say their appearances definately do not match

[chigirl68]

pakyownage4eva said:

thebo said:

I think you must not know many people in their 40s if you think they should be so wrinkly. People don't usually develop very deep wrinkles until they are much older than that. However, I will say that if you are a warrior (or in particular a SAILOR) out in the sun all the time, you get pretty darned wrinkly pretty darned fast. So you have a point.

Bo

lo. Women would know wouldn't they...

it's the tofu! Tofu has magical powers.

And Yi Sun SHin's wife is beautiful IMO in real life.

And looking at everyone's age, I have to say their appearances definately do not match

Yes it is the Soy protein.
a little about soy protein
a little more

[skinz]

cafetacbva said:

Who cares what they look like, the show is great, maybe the ages can be off with the actors, but who cares it's about the story line. And most people in their 40's don't get wrinkles, everybody body ages different. So if you want to get technical, then complain to the directors, because O'm pretty you couldn't make a cast and show like this one. The characters are just fine. TheBo your right on this one, by the way my name is charles can't wait for the party.

relax cafetacbva, its not that serious. I just posted it just for fun, your taking this drama series a little to serious man.

Anyway, I know that people in their 40s don't age fast and don't have wrinkles at all, BUT were are talking about the 16th century people. The world wasn't the healthiest thing around where people lived until 90 years+. We all know that if the cast director really hired people that had the historical age people would not watch it or care a lot for the characters. (hey, the young rule the world)





Something I noticed in the drama was that YSS looked young until the torture scene. After that, YSS face got paled and he got 30 years older all of a sudden.






she's in her 30s? Wow! I thought she was 25-26. She looks good.

[kathleen34]

ooh oh... I'm 64 and never gave any thought to my forehead collapsing.

SKINZ... you are just the best! your quality photos and one-line assessments ;Dare right on target! Thank you again and again and again.

[skinz unlogged]

kathleen34 said:

ooh oh... I'm 64 and never gave any thought to my forehead collapsing.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

[TheBo]

skinz, I agree with you on the fact that YSS started looking a LOT older after the last torture stuff. This would be true to life, I think.

Kathleen, your noble forehead would not DARE to collapse.

Bo

[cafetacbva]

Hey that last espisode was the best, damn how long did it take to make, all those extraxs, I wonder how much the bugdet is for YSS? Yeah I agree he aged a lot when he was beaten, but that happends when a crisis happends in people's lives, they age.

[cafetacbva]

Doe's anybody know why they showed the credits yesterday, I almost thought that was the end until it said to be contunied. Hey the sword fight was cool, and the flashbacks gave hope.

[skinz]

florel said:

(BTW, why was Ukida Hieide fired from his post of chief commander ? Because of the failure of the first invasion ? Anyway he came back to Chosun with his troops.)

I'm not sure why he was demoted (The horrible defeat by the first invasion most likely had a huge factor), however, he did return as a chief commander in the second invasion. Why did he return to korea? I have no idea especially since he was one of the five council men to devote helping Hideyoshi son. I don't see how Hideyoshi would send one of his loyal men to battle again when he appointed him to train his son to become a good leader.

The most interesting thing about all this situation was that the exploding pot for Kobayakawa Hideaki turn in the Sekigahara battle in 1600 started by this move.

You see, when Kobayakawa became commander in chief , Ishida Mitsunari did not like the move one bit. With YSS destroying the Japanese Navy like insects and the ground troops were being cornered, Ishida blamed everything on Kobayakawa which lead to Kobayakawa losing his land in Kyushu. When it was time for the battle in Sekigahara, Kobayakawa turned on Ishida and helped Togukawa. Unfortunately, after winning more land with Togukawa in power, many hated him because of his turn and he suffered a mental collapse.






(1577-1602)

Oh, by the way, the chief in command of the japanese forces in the 2nd invasion, kobayakawa, was only 20 in 1597. He died very young.

[florel]

skinz said:

I'm not sure why he was demoted (The horrible defeat by the first invasion most likely had a huge factor), however, he did return as a chief commander in the second invasion. Why did he return to korea? I have no idea especially since he was one of the five council men to devote helping Hideyoshi son. I don't see how Hideyoshi would send one of his loyal men to battle again when he appointed him to train his son to become a good leader.

Well, I guess Ukida could have demoted because of his age ! He was 20 in 1592 and 25 in 1597. Too old to be a commander-in-chief. (I'm kidding, of course. ;D )

skinz said:

When it was time for the battle in Sekigahara, Kobayakawa turned on Ishida and helped Togukawa. Unfortunately, after winning more land with Togukawa in power, many hated him because of his turn and he suffered a mental collapse.

Poor boy ! Hideaki must have had sensitive nerves.

skinz said:

(1577-1602)

Oh, by the way, the chief in command of the japanese forces in the 2nd invasion, kobayakawa, was only 20 in 1597. He died very young.

I don't understand Hideyoshi's selection of so-young-commanders-in-chief. Both Ukida and Hideaki were 20 years old when they became commander-in-chief respectively in 1592 and in 1597. Perhaps more manipulatable than the aged Samurais ?

[TheBo]

Maybe all the old samurais were dead from resisting him, Florel.

Bo