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Kim Wan
May 29, 2005 7:35:42 GMT -5
Post by Shaughraun on May 29, 2005 7:35:42 GMT -5
Is it our imagination or does Kim Wan come across like a funny cartoon-like character sometimes? Between his facial expressions and wisecracks, he seems like the class clown of the Left Cholla Navy. Don't get me wrong, we like him - A LOT, and he is devoted to YSS and Chosun. I just wonder if his character is being played as the man really was. Thank you for your input.  |
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Kim Wan
May 30, 2005 15:47:31 GMT -5
Post by donilpark on May 30, 2005 15:47:31 GMT -5
According to the records, he was a very brave and sort of macho type of person.
He always showed himself off by carrying an eagle around everywhere he went, because he enjoyed hunting. He was also said to be skilled at various things.
He was captured and taken to Japan during the war, but he escaped and returned to Korea using his wits. He survived and helped Yi Soonshin till the end.
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Kim Wan
May 30, 2005 19:55:22 GMT -5
Post by florel on May 30, 2005 19:55:22 GMT -5
I've already written about real Kim Wan on the thread entitled "Chosun Navy Guys in history (spoilers)". Kim Wan in history |
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Kim Wan
May 31, 2005 9:56:08 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on May 31, 2005 9:56:08 GMT -5
Florel, is the battle of Hansan Island the one where (according to the drama) they supposedly beheaded the pirate/gypsy people and sent them to the king as enemy soldiers?
Bo
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Kim Wan
May 31, 2005 11:34:19 GMT -5
Post by moreshige on May 31, 2005 11:34:19 GMT -5
Florel, is the battle of Hansan Island the one where (according to the drama) they supposedly beheaded the pirate/gypsy people and sent them to the king as enemy soldiers? Bo You haven't seen the battle of Hansan Island yet. That battle occurs in episode 74. You probably mean when the Ming navy who beheaded the Chosun commoners to show the Chosun king that they cut off many "Japanese" heads. That's in 1598 after the very last battle I think. |
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Kim Wan
May 31, 2005 11:49:38 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on May 31, 2005 11:49:38 GMT -5
Ah, thanks, Moreshige.
Bo
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Kim Wan
May 31, 2005 13:20:55 GMT -5
Post by florel on May 31, 2005 13:20:55 GMT -5
Florel, is the battle of Hansan Island the one where (according to the drama) they supposedly beheaded the pirate/gypsy people and sent them to the king as enemy soldiers? Bo I see the episode to which you refer. That pirate beheading episode is situated far before the Imjin War, in the youth time of our dear monkey man. It's a fictional episode, but based on a historical fact. We know the real head collector of chosunese fishermen. This is what our lovely Commander Won did during the war in real history ! lol (But I'm not sure if he beheaded the fishermen alive. I don't think so.) If I add one more remark on the Pojak (pirate-gypsy) people in the drama and in history, it's true that YSS protected the Pojak and he received their cooperation. He brought 46 Pojak ships out in the first maritime operation. When he didn't know about the Japanese navy, he worried about the fact that he had only 24 ships against enemy's 300-400 ships. So he wanted to fake the number of his vessels. YSS didn't summon them any more from the 2nd maritime operation. |
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Kim Wan
May 31, 2005 13:46:55 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on May 31, 2005 13:46:55 GMT -5
Gracias, la Florida. Bo |
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Kim Wan
May 31, 2005 14:32:00 GMT -5
Post by la Florida on May 31, 2005 14:32:00 GMT -5
Gracias, la Florida. Bo De nada. |
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Post by Shaughraun on Jun 1, 2005 4:32:18 GMT -5
Thank you Florel, and everyone, for your information. :-)
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Kim Wan
Jun 2, 2005 23:27:26 GMT -5
Post by JP Paulus on Jun 2, 2005 23:27:26 GMT -5
According to the records, he was a very brave and sort of macho type of person. He always showed himself off by carrying an eagle around everywhere he went, because he enjoyed hunting. He was also said to be skilled at various things. He was captured and taken to Japan during the war, but he escaped and returned to Korea using his wits. He survived and helped Yi Soonshin till the end. Part of him sounds like the way Yi Ui-Min was portrayed in AGe of Warriors! Kim Wan -- Definitely a contrast to what's portrayed on screen as opposed to history |
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Post by BungalowDweller on Jun 3, 2005 7:02:14 GMT -5
So Who Are these Pojak people? And what is meant by gypsy? To me, gypsies are the Romany people. What ethnic group were the Pojaks? Are they merely wanderers--tinkers, the Irish would call them. Did they speak Korean as their primary language? Thanks
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Kim Wan
Jun 3, 2005 10:13:14 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jun 3, 2005 10:13:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry, b-d, I was using "gypsy" in the sense of a wandering people, much as one would use the term bedouin or tinker, not specifically the Romany people. I don't know the answers to your other questions.
Bo
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Kim Wan
Jun 3, 2005 10:55:26 GMT -5
Post by florel on Jun 3, 2005 10:55:26 GMT -5
When I heard the expression "pirate/gypsy", I understand it like as Bo explained. ;D
The Pojak is a kind of half-fishermen and half-pirate in Cheju Island. (So they are Koreans.) More exactly, they were sea divers who collected abalones and trepangs. It is said that they also exercised extra-activity of pirates, sometimes disguised under the Wako costume. They were suspected and hated by the people living on the southern seacoast of Cholla province. Male divers were called "Pojakhan" and female divers "Hae-nyo". Female divers are existing until now.
Therefore, the Pojak ships means just "fisher-boats".
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Post by Michael on Jun 4, 2005 2:36:16 GMT -5
If female divers were called "Hae-nyo," then I would have to assume that "Pojakhan" was just another name for seafaring male natives of Jeju (Cheju) island. "Hae-nyo" in modern day usage is a female driver of Jeju island, so if her male counterpart was called "Pojakhan" and they were sometimes involved in pirating, would it be okay to assume that many Jeju men were sometimes involved in pirating?
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