Episode 57 (Spoilers)

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ac said:

I just saw this episode last night and I have one quick question (which might sound dumb) But why did some of the commanders burn the battleships? Even Commander Won burned his.

Won Kyun said "sink the ships so the enemy does not capture them. " I guess you can compare it to people burning towns or villages so they do not leave resources for the enemy to become stronger.

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moreshige said:

Well, I guess the million-dollar question is, "Could Sin Rip have been better prepared ?" In light of what he had said to Yu song ryong that the Japanese and their muskets would miss their targets, he sounds arrogant and prideful. And also, why did he muster only 8000 men to defend Seoul? Did he have to wait for Sunjo's approval? If so, then maybe I can understand. But certainly in contrast to YSS's careful planning Sin Rip's conduct seems hasty and ill-prepared. Unless I'm misaken I blame him because he was a high general who could have done more for Chosun's overall defence.

I also think Shin Rip is not free from the accusation that he was responsible for the ill-preparation of national defence. But I guess he was much better than that useless coward Won Kyun. ;D
At least Shin Rip fought bravely until the end and it's a spectacular contrast to Won Kyun's end (in history). That's why the people of Chosun respected Shin Rip as they did toward Chung Bal and Song Sang-Hyun.


About 8,000 men of Shin Rip, we need to understand the military system of Chosun at that time, Je-Seung-Bang-Ryak. Under this system, in the case of huge invasion, soldiers of the concerned province were supposed to be assembled at the main defence point of that province and they had to be commanded by a general dispatched from Seoul.

In fact, when the invasion started, soldiers of Kyungsang province were gathered at Daegu, but they were scattered before Yi Il's arrival. He delayed too much in Seoul. The fact that Yi Il was defeated too fast imposed burden on Shin Rip to organize defence.

The defence system, Je-Seung-Bang-Ryak, worked also in Chungchong province toward which Ship Rip was dispatched. The High Constable of Chungju assembled 8,000 soldiers of Chungchong province and he waited Gen. Shin Rip. But when he arrived at Chungju with 80 officers, Konishi's army has already crushed down another Chosunese (small) resistance at Munkyung (Choryong Pass) after defeating Yi Il.

I agree with many others' opinion that Shin Rip committed huge mistake by choosing Tangeumdae as battlefield.

In a word, I guess he was not as intelligent as YSS but he was not as idiot as Won Kyun. ;D

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captainamazing said:

Is the actor who played Myungjong's crown prince from Age of Warriors one of the ministers at the beginning of the episode? The voice sounded about the same.

Yes, he is. Myungjong's crown prince changed his job as son-in-law of General Kwon Yul. His name is Yi Hang-Bok.


Yi Hang-Bok (photo by courtesy of Choko)


And the role of General Kwon Yul is played by another AOW actor. He was Yi Ui-Min's buddhist monk in AOW ! lol

[moreshige]

florel said:

moreshige said:

Well, I guess the million-dollar question is, "Could Sin Rip have been better prepared ?" In light of what he had said to Yu song ryong that the Japanese and their muskets would miss their targets, he sounds arrogant and prideful. And also, why did he muster only 8000 men to defend Seoul? Did he have to wait for Sunjo's approval? If so, then maybe I can understand. But certainly in contrast to YSS's careful planning Sin Rip's conduct seems hasty and ill-prepared. Unless I'm misaken I blame him because he was a high general who could have done more for Chosun's overall defence.

I also think Shin Rip is not free from the accusation that he was responsible for the ill-preparation of national defence. But I guess he was much better than that useless coward Won Kyun. ;D
At least Shin Rip fought bravely until the end and it's a spectacular contrast to Won Kyun's end (in history). That's why the people of Chosun respected Shin Rip as they did toward Chung Bal and Song Sang-Hyun.


About 8,000 men of Shin Rip, we need to understand the military system of Chosun at that time, Je-Seung-Bang-Ryak. Under this system, in the case of huge invasion, soldiers of the concerned province were supposed to be assembled at the main defence point of that province and they had to be commanded by a general dispatched from Seoul.

In fact, when the invasion started, soldiers of Kyungsang province were gathered at Daegu, but they were scattered before Yi Il's arrival. He delayed too much in Seoul. The fact that Yi Il was defeated too fast imposed burden on Shin Rip to organize defence.

The defence system, Je-Seung-Bang-Ryak, worked also in Chungchong province toward which Ship Rip was dispatched. The High Constable of Chungju assembled 8,000 soldiers of Chungchong province and he waited Gen. Shin Rip. But when he arrived at Chungju with 80 officers, Konishi's army has already crushed down another Chosunese (small) resistance at Munkyung (Choryong Pass) after defeating Yi Il.

I agree with many others' opinion that Shin Rip committed huge mistake by choosing Tangeumdae as battlefield.

In a word, I guess he was not as intelligent as YSS but he was not as idiot as Won Kyun. ;D

All I'm saying is that Sin Rip was the highest ranked general in the nation, the supreme general so I assumed he would have power to recruit more troops. I could understand generals like YSS and their situation because they more or less had to conform to the military system. Sin Rip of all generals could have at least changed some policies. Wasn't he a beaurocrat-high general?

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moreshige said:

All I'm saying is that Sin Rip was the highest ranked general in the nation, the supreme general so I assumed he would have power to recruit more troops. I could understand generals like YSS and their situation because they more or less had to conform to the military system. Sin Rip of all generals could have at least changed some policies. Wasn't he a beaurocrat-high general?

Unfortunately, Shin Rip had no such military power before the war.
He was Hansung Panyun, the Mayor of Seoul since 1590.
It's not a military post like Commander of navy or of army. He just had some policemen of Seoul under his command. When the invasion started, king appointed him as Supreme Commander and sent him to Chungju. This time, he had no time to recruit more troops.

I think the king and other high rank bureaucrats are the most responsible for the bad preparation. But I agree with others' opinion that Shin Rip was out-of-date general on strategical aspect. I also think you have good reason to criticize him as being arrogant and so forth, Moreshige. He is such a controversial figure that there are different judgments on him.