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Post by ronin on Feb 27, 2005 3:02:36 GMT -5
Question for VIB or Florel, who are the descendants of YSS? Are they or his clan still around since he has two sons on the show. When they did a documentary show about Ming Navy Admiral Zheng He (who might have discovered America before Columbus in 1421), they interviewed the descendants of his clan. Don’t know whether if they’re his direct descendants because he was a eunach. The descendants of his clan are Chinese muslims like him. And a few years back, I was reading an article about Christopher Columbus in National Geographic magazine. They interviewed and have a picture of one of his descendants Christopher Columbus 23rd (or something like) or Christobal Colon who apparently is a Spaniard not Italiano serving as a helicopter pilot in the Spanish Navy. That’s the MOS I wanted to get when I was enlisting in the Marine Corps reserves to become an officer after I finish college. But the MEPS doctors said there was something wrong with my eyes even though I have 20/20 vision.
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Post by florel on Feb 27, 2005 17:23:52 GMT -5
Historically, Admiral YSS had three sons and one daughter with two illegitimate sons and two illegitimate daughters from his concubines. He also fostered his nephews because his two brothers had died young. In the drama, we have seen his three sons and one nephew : first and second sons (young boy and baby) in Ep. 24 and the youngest son in Eps. 29, 34 and 41. His nephew (Yi Wan) appeared in Ep. 4 and Ep. 29 (the young boy who quarreled over a top with Yi Myon, the third son of YSS). Sons and nephews of YSS participated in Imjin War. (I have an impression that the show would substitute the role of his first son by Nalbal. We will see...) I have already mentioned Yi Wan died when he comabted against Manchurians in 1636. One illegitimate son of YSS died also at the same battle. Direct descendants of Admiral YSS and his clan continue to exist up to now. I don't know their actual professions. During Chorun dynasty, descendants of YSS had taken military profession from generation to generation. Several of them became admiral (supreme admiral of three regions) as YSS. About Admiral Zheng He's progeny, I think they are possibly his descendants by an adopted son. In Chosun period, eunachs adopted sons in order to maintain their clans. I think Ming's eunachs may have had the similar custom of adoption. Christoper Columbus served spanish king and queen. Haven't his descedants been living there from that time ? That¡¯s the MOS I wanted to get when I was enlisting in the Marine Corps reserves to become an officer after I finish college. But the MEPS doctors said there was something wrong with my eyes even though I have 20/20 vision. That's unbelievable, Ronin. Did they want 30/20 vision ?
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Post by ronin on Feb 27, 2005 18:26:48 GMT -5
Actualy I was wondering if his descendants are still around because of what happens to Korea in later centuries like the Japanese Military colonialization of Korea, WW2, and the Korean War. Also, I was thinking those descendants of Admiral Zheng He might be his cousins or brothers’ blood descendants when they interviewed them in that 1421 show. Not a direct descendant but from the same clan. They still maintain his grave though.
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Post by florel on Feb 27, 2005 19:25:19 GMT -5
YSS' descendants are still around in spite of recent tragedies in Korea. I came across a few articles containing interviews with the 14th descendant of the Admiral. In one of them, this man said he had had to make a great effort to hide Admiral's famous swords from the Japanese's confiscation. museum.kma.ac.kr/kor/museum/k1/img/img28.gif(Admiral YSS' swords ; 197,5cm / made in 1597) Concerning Admiral Zheng He's descendants, it's also highly possible that they are descendants of his near relatives as you think. His genealogical book will clarify everything, but it's out of my knowledge.
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Post by florel on Feb 27, 2005 20:18:43 GMT -5
I think it would be better to clairify what I told about the adoption system in Chosun period. At that time, noble clans adopted a son in order to continue their own lignage and they adopted ONLY from their blood parental relatives. From this logic, when I supposed Admiral Zheng He might have adopted a son, it's automatically from his clan I thought. We don't know if Admiral Zheng He adopted a son or not. But if he did, certainly he may have adopted one from his clan. Therefore, you have good reason for thinking descendants of Admiral Zheng He are those of his near relatives.
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Post by moreshige unlogged on Feb 27, 2005 22:55:52 GMT -5
I think it would be better to clairify what I told about the adoption system in Chosun period. At that time, noble clans adopted a son in order to continue their own lignage and they adopted ONLY from their blood parental relatives. From this logic, when I supposed Admiral Zheng He might have adopted a son, it's automatically from his clan I thought. We don't know if Admiral Zheng He adopted a son or not. But if he did, certainly he may have adopted one from his clan. Therefore, you have good reason for thinking descendants of Admiral Zheng He are those of his near relatives. This is a true story. About 13 years ago, when I studied korean at Seoul national's language institute, I met a guy who was a christian missionary from the US. He told me seriously that he was a direct descendant of YSS. His name was John Lee. What's funny is that until I watched the series, I just found out that I might be related in a way too (at least to YSS's descendants.) I share the same last name as YSS's wife. I say this because the family name, 'Bang' is rare in korea.
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Post by IAPD3000 on Feb 28, 2005 10:55:47 GMT -5
What about Yi Song-gye's (Taejo of Choson) descendants? Are they still live today?
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Post by ID on Feb 28, 2005 11:38:28 GMT -5
What about Yi Song-gye's (Taejo of Choson) descendants? Are they still live today? Just so you know, that's also Yi Ui Bang's desendents {well, actually, it's Yi Lin's}
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Post by ronin on Feb 28, 2005 17:28:41 GMT -5
The royal line of Choson? Check this story out, very interesting and somewhat sad for the Choson royal family today: joongangdaily.joins.com/200404/13/200404132222170279900091009101.htmlThey brought back the royal family of Thailand and Cambodia, I’m curious why they don’t bring the Chosan royal family to the throne who have real legitimate claim to the throne than that crazy dictator and his son in North Korea.
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Post by meowmeow on Feb 28, 2005 17:43:40 GMT -5
Essential difference between thai emperor and lee dynasty is they protected country from colonialization. I know thai people have utmost respect for the thai royals.
Lee dynasty did not cope with wind of change and korean people suffered due to that result.
It explains why korean people is so dynamic and so aware of new techological paradigm or at least want to be on top of it rather than follow others.
do not make same mistake twice.
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Post by ronin on Feb 28, 2005 17:59:43 GMT -5
Ah I see, now I understand. I was thinking they might unite the Korean people after that crazy dictator croaks from eating or gets blown up in his bunker from a JDAM bomb released from an F-117 stealth fighter. But then again it’s probably none of my business since I’m not from Korea or of Korean descent.
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Post by meowmeow on Feb 28, 2005 18:49:54 GMT -5
you have to understand size of korea is smaller than oregon. If you make a war on that pennisula. Everyone lose. no more yss for you.
Please understand consequence. My family is living in that pennisula.
It is not even funny as a joke.
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Post by ID on Feb 28, 2005 19:10:11 GMT -5
Israel is smaller than New Jersey. So YOU can't complain. Sadly, Americans don't seem to understand that.
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Post by Choko on Feb 28, 2005 21:55:47 GMT -5
I would be really disappointed if all Americans had such a naive point of view about Korean peninsula like ID. Well, as a South Korean, sometimes I felt that North Korea and Israel is very similar in their situation. I do not want more discussion. But remember this. The Nokdune islanders and the soldiers are almost North Koreans.
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Post by ronin on Feb 28, 2005 22:15:23 GMT -5
Relax I wasn’t saber rattling.
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