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Post by hachiue on Nov 23, 2004 9:57:06 GMT -5
Yeah he wouldn't let anything happen to her, but he's not above seeming like he would let something happen to her. He's too concerned with his own image to give it up for her - or at least he was until he realized that he was losing her. He should give it up! He never had her in the first place and now that she's finally realizing that they can never be together and is falling for someone else (let's leave out who it is at the moment) he wants to bring her back into it? It's torture for the both of them and he's wrong for trying to make it continue. She has continually tried to remove herself from the situation but he won't let her. It's that attitude that I hate - he says he loves her but his emotions are too selfish for that to be true. (That's the one thing Phoenix had over Damo - the main characters realized when something was ill fated and didn't try to hold onto it.)
Choko - Eep! Now that's making me upset! The more upsetting thing is that Oedipus and Jocasta had, what, three kids? Have you ever read Antigone? I think that's my favorite from the series. But oh so gruesome! I would say that I hope it doesn't turn out so badly here, but I think that the unhappy endings are refreshing in a way because the endings aren't so Hollywood.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 23, 2004 10:00:14 GMT -5
Let me ask you this. Do you honestly believe Yoon would harm Chae ok? Probably not physically, but he has emotionally. I mean, imagine being in Chae-ok's shoes and hearing Yoon say that he is not exchanging SungBaek for her, as if he didn't care. If I was her I would be devastated.
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 23, 2004 11:23:48 GMT -5
He never had her in the first place and now that she's finally realizing that they can never be together and is falling for someone else (let's leave out who it is at the moment) he wants to bring her back into it? She has continually tried to remove herself from the situation but he won't let her. Chae Ok is also in love with Yoon. It's not just a one sided thing. If it weren't for the whole class thing, they'd probably be married by now. I mean, imagine being in Chae-ok's shoes and hearing Yoon say that he is not exchanging Sung Baek for her, as if he didn't care. He was bluffing.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 23, 2004 11:26:08 GMT -5
I thought she was in love with SungBaek? She probably feels like she loves Lt. Yoon, because she's been with him for so long. He is the only family she's ever known. Maybe the love she has for him is more like a brother. She thought she loved him as a man, because that's all she's ever known. (that's my opinion, I guess I'll see in the last 2 episodes who she really loves.)
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 23, 2004 11:35:03 GMT -5
I thought she was in love with SungBaek? I'm not saying she doesn't love Sung Baek. She loves both of them but for different reasons.
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Post by hachiue on Nov 23, 2004 14:58:53 GMT -5
Please don't get me wrong, I'm haven't really been arguing with what you're saying, Knov1.
I'm just angrily complaining about Yoon because I think that Chae-ok got a raw deal and I think Yoon's been acting like a jerk, while Sung-baek has been acting much more gentlemanly. However, it's hard to make the argument for Sung-baek because of the obvious ick factor, so I'm not making an argument for him, just against Yoon.
I understand that the situation is complicated, I just am kind of refusing to accept the fact that the class system is so complicated and rigid and ingrained that Yoon wouldn't have thrown it away long before for Chae-ok if he really loved her. And I see his forcing her to hang on and refusing to let her go when she says that she wants to leave as abhorrent.
However, I do allow that it was most likely a lie when she told Yoon that her heart already had left him - one that she told to spare his feelings and allow him to leave with Nanhui so they wouldn't be together anymore.
I just think that Chae-ok is handling their whole relationship in a much better manner - she seems to be more accepting of what the world has doled out for them, while Yoon seems to be completely unaccepting and yet unwilling to go against the social constructs that he doesn't accept.
I think it's interesting that you're defending him on this and would like to know your thoughts on it - especially since I don't seem to be able to get around the "how unfair, he's a jerk" factor.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 23, 2004 15:11:39 GMT -5
Why didn't Yoon leave with Chae-ok a longtime ago. I mean, why is he choosing to be with her now? What are his motives? Like I said earlier, if Chae-ok hadn't said that she cared for SungBaek would he have asked her to move in with him? I understand that he feels like he can't be with her, and in a way it's a self-sacrifice, he's choosing to put his country before himself and the love he feels for Chae-ok. He is denying himself his true love in order to keep working in the police force and defend the country. But still, some of the things he says and does, make me mad. And I too feel like he should've just let Chae-ok go a long time ago. He was always talking about how he didn't want Chae-ok working in the police force because it was to dangerous, well he should've just sent her far away.
As for Chae-ok saying that Yoon wasn't in her heart anymore. I don't think she said it to spare his feelings. I think she truly meant it. Yoon wasn't willing to put her first, SungBaek was (or at least it seems that way from the things he was saying). She knows that if it came down to it, SungBaek would be with her, there is nothing that can come between them (social class). Remember she said that she didn't want to be lonely anymore? Maybe that's why she's starting to feel love for SungBaek because he didn't hide his feelings from her, he was honest and willing to put down his sword (or at least felt like he would. If that guy that is the real traitor found out that SungBaek had feelings for a woman and wanted to leave the cause, he'd probably have Chae-ok killed!)
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 23, 2004 21:47:35 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that you're defending him on this and would like to know your thoughts on it - especially since I don't seem to be able to get around the "how unfair, he's a jerk" factor. Don't get me wrong. Yoon frustrates me as well at times but, to me, this drama is all about Yoon & Chae Ok. They're 2 of my all-time favorite characters. They were voted 'Best Drama Couple' at the 2003 MBC Actor/Drama Awards with good reason. It's not that I don't like Sung Baek but he is her brother. I think you guys will understand what I mean, in regards to Yoon & Chae Ok, after the final episodes air this weekend.
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Post by FlowerLady on Nov 23, 2004 22:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by Choko on Nov 23, 2004 22:41:27 GMT -5
To me, this drama is a story about a female slave called Chaeok who continued to want self-independence, free will, and freedom. ;D
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 23, 2004 23:18:34 GMT -5
To me, this drama is a story about a female slave called Chaeok who continued to want self-independence, free will, and freedom. ;D You make a good point. I didn't mean to say that this drama is only about Yoon & Chae Ok. What I meant is that their relationship is what left the biggest impression on me. Also, Choko, I had to edit your post. Your last comment would've raised a lot of questions about the ending.
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Post by hachiue on Nov 24, 2004 8:56:47 GMT -5
Hmmm I will wait to the end. I think that I'll probably fall on the side of this drama being entirely about Chae-ok, because that's pretty much what I feel already. But I'll keep an open mind and not try to beat Yoon over the head through the tv.
You know, maybe it's the actor that I don't like. I didn't like Se-hoon either. Or maybe it's because he played basically the same character in both dramas. Eh.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 24, 2004 9:00:19 GMT -5
It's not that I don't like Sung Baek but he is her brother. As for me, I know that SungBaek and Chae-ok will never be together, they're brother and sister and that could never happen. BUT personally, I like SungBaek better (not to be with Chae-ok but as a person). Yes I understand that it must've been hard for Yoon to love Chae-ok and feel like he can't be with her because of social differences. But if it was as easy as him telling her "lets leave and be together" why didn't he do it before? I guess that's my issue.
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 24, 2004 15:27:06 GMT -5
Or maybe it's because he played basically the same character in both dramas. Really? I think Se Hoon & Yoon are fairly different. But if it was as easy as him telling her "lets leave and be together" why didn't he do it before? I guess that's my issue. Better late than never I guess. ;D
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Post by FlowerLady on Nov 24, 2004 22:15:40 GMT -5
But I'll keep an open mind and not try to beat Yoon over the head through the tv. Hachiue, you crack me up! ;D But seriously, that's what I like about this board. Many opinions, all valid and very interesting, and still, post-ers are always respectful of each other. To me, this board still rates 2 thumbs up!
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