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Post by guest on Nov 16, 2004 14:33:21 GMT -5
I love this show but I am puzzled/ frustrated by a number of things
1. When chae-ok meets the king and is injured by his gaurds, how could the king just leave her in the state that she was in.. couldn't he have called a physician..?? She wasn't there to harm the king and she did give useful information... I thought that was really mean of the king....
2. Hwangbo yoon cried like a baby (heart-wrenching) when he thought chae-ok was going to die and yet in the next episode I see him tell her that she should not live for him and that he was going to marry Nanhui... ...he was ready to give up his life to save her (going upto the king's physician...) and yet he is such a wimp when it comes to matters of his heart... is it because of her social staus (she being a slave...) or does he think chae-ok is in love with Jang??... I can't believe he is going to give up.... what a wimp!! at times like this.. I feel nostalgic about eric from Phoenix.. (even with his cheesy lines, corny smile, his greasy hair, his awkward dancing and terrible singing... )
3. And whats up with nanhui?? I thought nanhui was this meek servile daughter of general Jo..... but she is quite the passive aggressive type.... trying to get hwangbo to marry her... and then she tells chae-ok in episode 10 that she would love chae-ok to come and live with them (i.e. hwangbo and Nanhui) after they are married knowing that chae-ok loves hwang-bo.. wasn't that cruel !!
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Post by hachiue on Nov 17, 2004 10:14:47 GMT -5
Some brought up a good point in another thread that he couldn't really take her to a physician since her news was confidential and no one else (especially possible traitors in the court) was supposed to know that she was there. I agree that it was mean - he could've had someone sneak her out or had his physician attend to her in secret. However, based on what happened to her, it looked like she had some sort of degenerative injury that wouldn't have been fixed by normal physicians - just by the cool bringing-her-back-from-death thingie. Maybe Eric can make a cameo. He'll sing for the entire cast and then they'll live happily ever after - except for the fact that they'll kill Eric in enraged fury over his cheese and then probably half of the characters will die as well - or at least Chae-ok and Sung-baek. Anyway, Hwangbo is smart enough to know that he can either give up his class and marry Chae-ok and live on the run, or he can accept the rules and marry Nanhui. If he's super-smart, he realized that he's hurting Chae-ok by keeping her there and so he let her go so that she could live her life for herself, possibly with the cute Mr. Rebel.  I'm not sure what's up with the change in Nanhui's behavior. Perhaps because she sees that Yoon prefers strong women (Chae-ok) she has decided that it's safe for her to actually act strong. Also, she must realize that she'll never make him love her by acting the part of a meek yangban chick. |
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Post by Alexa on Nov 17, 2004 10:21:26 GMT -5
Anyway, Hwangbo is smart enough to know that he can either give up his class and marry Chae-ok and live on the run, or he can accept the rules and marry Nanhui. If he's super-smart, he realized that he's hurting Chae-ok by keeping her there and so he let her go so that she could live her life for herself, possibly with the cute Mr. Rebel. If you really love someone wouldn't you do everything for that person? He's willing to let her go when he loves her, but why not give up everything for her? Love like that is hard to find, and when you do find it, you shouldnt let it go. |
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Post by hachiue on Nov 17, 2004 14:55:52 GMT -5
I don't know what his thinking is anyway. He might actually be correct if he thinks it would be better for her to just let her go, but who knows his motivation? I agree with you, Alexa, that he's a jerk.
I just like Mr. Rebel better. He's sweet and oh-so-cute, everyone worships the ground he walks on, and he shall foment a rebellion.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 17, 2004 15:30:51 GMT -5
I just like Mr. Rebel better. He's sweet and oh-so-cute, everyone worships the ground he walks on, and he shall foment a rebellion. He sure is one fine man. haha I just don't know if I like the storyline of him and Chae-ok being related. It would've worked out better if they weren't, then they fall in love and end up happily ever after. Or maybe, they're not really related. They think they are but they're not. You know the guy with the scar on his face? Well he seems to be such a tough guy, not really showing an affectionate side at all. And he can be mean at times. But I love how much he cares for Chae-ok and worries about her. Remember when Chae-ok had been all cut up, and he asked her "who did this to you?" He was ready to go avenged what happened to her. He is truly like a brother to her. |
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Post by Choko on Nov 17, 2004 21:14:02 GMT -5
Chae-ok is a "Damo". As you already know, Damo is a kind of female "slave" who works for the government. In those days, a slave was a lot cheaper than a cow in the market, so it is natural for the king and his guards to regard the life of a reckless damo(Chae-ok) as nothing but trash. In addition, I think, they thought that there was no hope for her recovery so they threw her away outside the palace.
It is very important that Yoon is a character who hesitates between love and ambition. Of course, Yoon loves Chae-ok desperately. However, he also desperately wanted to be promoted to Yangban(noble) class. In his childhood, he wanted to call his father not "Mister" but "Father", but he couldn't. He wanted to be a government officer but he couldn't because his mother was a slave.
Young Chae-ok sympathized with his hopeless situation and wanted to help him. I think it was a kind of self-satisfaction because she seemed to make him succeed on her behalf. Anyway, Yoon's dream came true one by one. He became a high rank police officer. If he get married with Nan-hui, he will get everything he wanted in his childhood. Chae-ok realized that love with a slave woman will be an obstacle to his success. Chae-ok can't marry him. It is forbidden by law. She can be his concubine, but it will eventually undermine his position. He needs a Yangban class wife. Chae-ok thinks she has to leave him, but she can't. Her father died. Her brother and mother are missing. she doesn't know where to go. She is a slave who can not go anywhere without permission.
Most of all, she is exhausted. She realizes that even if Yoon's position gets higher, she continues to be a slave. Nothing changes. She is still hopeless. She wants to come back to the mountain where no class system exists but Yoon can't be with her there any longer. He should not do that because she doesn't want him to give up all his dream. There is nobody to help her. She is lonely.
One day, Chae-ok met Sung-baek. Imagine in her shoes. (Ignore the fact that Sung-baek is her brother, because she does not know the truth.) Sung-baek showed her another world: a classless society. Yoon wants to be promoted "within" the class system which gives her pain, but Sung-baek wants to "overturn" and "destory" the system itself and shows her a new way of life. He gave her freedom and dignity. She started to be fascinated with his vision, but she still refused to accept it because she is a Damo serving for the government. Overturning the class system is a treason. She tried to deny her sympathy.
To save Yoon's life, however, she betrayed Sung-baek and informed against the rebel. Her unconsciousness may feel guilty about it. You may remember that she was murmuring in her sleep : "Descent the mountain with me, Jang Sung-baek" At that moment, Yoon realized that Chae-ok has feelings for Sung-baek.
Yoon forced Chae-ok to leave the police department because he wanted to prevent her from being involved with Sung-baek. Yoon already knows she wants Sung-baek unconsciously, even though she is apparently saying that she has to catch the rebel. He felt jealous of Sung-baek of course, but at the same time, he was afraid she would take side with the rebel and became his enemy. He can't be with her, but at least he wants her to remain in the society(or system) where he lives. However, she finally decided to leave. Why does she desperately try to meet Sung-baek? Is it necessary for her to violate the law which prevents a slave from leaving without permission, just because she wants to help Yoon? NO.
I think Nanhui is a very brave and generous woman. (I don't have such a courage to tell my rival to live with me because my husband-to-be loves her. ) Yoon and Chae-ok's marriage is forbidden by law, so Nanhui offer them a way to live together, even though she will feel pain for it.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 18, 2004 8:45:35 GMT -5
Her brother and mother are missing. she doesn't know where to go. Where exactly is her mother? did they ever mention her on the show? |
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Post by hachiue on Nov 18, 2004 9:18:59 GMT -5
Well, she wasn't captured/enslaved when their father was killed. She was apparently ill. Other than that, nothing.
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Post by Alexa on Nov 18, 2004 10:41:22 GMT -5
Why does she desperately try to meet Sung-baek? Is it necessary for her to violate the law which prevents a slave from leaving without permission, just because she wants to help Yoon? NO. So in other words she is just trying to "catch" Sung-Baek because deep down inside she wants to see him again and be with him? So it's like an inner struggle that she is facing. On one hand she wants to catch him and turn him in because his a "criminal", on the other hand she has developed feelings for him, and doesn't want to harm him. I think she's very confused right now. She doesn't know what she wants. She's struggling with loving Lt. Yoon and believing in Sung-Baek's vision. |
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Post by Choko on Nov 18, 2004 16:19:26 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I want to say, Alexa. ;D
When their father committed suicide, Jae-moo(Sung-baek) fled away with his sister Jae-hee(Chae-ok), but their mother was left alone and enslaved. Chae-ok did not know where she was.
In episode 10, Chae-ok found her parents' tablet at the temple, and realized for the first time that her mother died. Why their mother died will be mentioned once again in episode 11.
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Post by FlowerLady on Nov 18, 2004 22:24:20 GMT -5
I think Nanhui is a very brave and generous woman. (I don't have such a courage to tell my rival to live with me because my husband-to-be loves her. ) Yoon and Chae-ok's marriage is forbidden by law, so Nanhui offer them a way to live together, even though she will feel pain for it. Choko, I absolutely agree with you about Nanhui. I think she is a fascinating and multi-dimensional character. At first, I viewed her as a threat or a rival to Chae-ok, but as time went on, Nanhui was so kind and almost motherly to her. Also, I was very impressed by Nanhui's understanding and acceptance of the relationship between Lt. Yoon & Chae-ok. I thought her offer to have Chae-ok live with them after marriage was so generous. It illustrated how much she loved Yoon, even knowing that Yoon did not love her, but accepted that Yoon only loved Chae-ok. Nanhui's life was so lonely and unfulfilled that she was willing to share her home and husband with her husband's true love.... something few women would even consider. Times were so desperate, difficult and fleeting then. |
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 19, 2004 7:59:42 GMT -5
So in other words she is just trying to "catch" Sung-Baek because deep down inside she wants to see him again and be with him? So it's like an inner struggle that she is facing. On one hand she wants to catch him and turn him in because his a "criminal", on the other hand she has developed feelings for him, and doesn't want to harm him. Doh! I didn't realize that's what you were trying to say in the episode 10 thread. You asked about Sung Baek and I kept talking about Yoon & Chae Ok.  |
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Post by Kim on Nov 29, 2004 17:13:31 GMT -5
where can i get really good pictures of Kim Min-joon/Jun?
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Post by TheBo on Nov 30, 2004 10:40:07 GMT -5
I was watching episode 10 this morning, and it came to me that Nan-hui very much reminds me of Choi Keum-young on Dae Jang Geum. She seems like the person that Keum-young would have turned out to be if she weren't born into the horrible Choi family and "bent" because of it. I like Nan-hui, and I think she is very brave and generous. I agree with Choko and FlowerLady that she's an appealing character. Once again, Yoon is getting better than he deserves.
Bo
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Post by jenny on Nov 30, 2004 11:07:53 GMT -5
Once again, Yoon is getting better than he deserves. Bo I missed eps. 7-12, so I don't understand why everyone's so upset with Yoon. Could someone please explain? I really liked him. |
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