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Post by Maalii on Feb 22, 2004 23:50:27 GMT -5
Some of this was brought up in other thread(s), but one of the many things that continues to captivate me about this show are the parts that appear to be influenced or inspired by RTK--I say influenced because I think the fleshing out of these aspects fall into the realm of the dramatization and writing rather than simple history. Three things I've seen so far that are really RTK-like are, of course, 1. Ui Bang and his two sworn brothers Yi Ko and Che Won being analogs of Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei. 2. Che Won being alot like Zhang Fei in personality. 3. Ui Bang's tormented nightmares in his final hours are very reminiscent of Cao Cao's tormented last moments. 4. General Du's mercy toward Ui Min is very much like the incident in which Guan Yu allows Cao Cao when Cao Cao is at the end of his rope after his crushing Red Wall defeat. I'm sure I've missed others because I missed many of the earlier episodes.
Now this is not to say that this whole drama is RTK like because that is very far from the truth. They are so different--AOW has much more integral involvement of women as central plot movers and AOW has many more focused moments of emotional intensity, whereas RTK has a vaster array of characters, spectacular application of complex military strategy, and gives a better feel for passage of time (in part because it covers much more the lifetime of any character). But there is no doubt RTK has crept into the minds of the AOW writers just as it has into the minds of so many of its readers.
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Post by PuyoGirl on Feb 23, 2004 4:09:12 GMT -5
Seeing as how I'm the ultimate tomboy, I picked up the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel a few weeks ago. I made sure to choose the unabridged version on amazon. Still, I've had a tough time getting past the first few pages. There are SO many long and complicated names that get flashed across the page at once (at one point I counted twelve!). Please tell me that it gets better the more you get into it  I've played the Dynasty Warriors videogames, but I wanted a more literary approach to the history that something like AoW can give me. (Man, would I love to get a hold of some awesome Korean history/fiction text that can compete with the AoW script! OF course, I mean in ENGLISH!)  |
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Post by Maalii on Feb 23, 2004 13:56:55 GMT -5
Seeing as how I'm the ultimate tomboy, I picked up the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel a few weeks ago. I made sure to choose the unabridged version on amazon. Still, I've had a tough time getting past the first few pages. There are SO many long and complicated names that get flashed across the page at once (at one point I counted twelve!). Please tell me that it gets better the more you get into it :-/I've played the Dynasty Warriors videogames, but I wanted a more literary approach to the history that something like AoW can give me. (Man, would I love to get a hold of some awesome Korean history/fiction text that can compete with the AoW script! OF course, I mean in ENGLISH!) Actually, the first time I read RTK (first of something like 9 times in the past 4 years--yes I'm a serious addict) I too found the opening 50-100 pages a bit difficult. It seemed like an endless litany of killings by and endless number of characters whom I could never keep straight. However, it soon starts shaping up, and if you stick with it you'll soon start to get into the flow of the story and become completely taken by it. By the end of the book, you will probably see why I, like so many other readers, believe this is the greatest warrior epic ever written. Most readers (and this included me) don't absorb most of the details and cannot track most of the second, third, and fourth level characters on their first read. This is one of the reasons why this book gets better and better the more times you read it because you start to recognize how all the subtle details fit together and you see how the characters are so intricately woven together. This will be particularly true of the early sequences in the novel. |
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Post by Chung Kyun on Feb 23, 2004 19:37:44 GMT -5
hey yeah i love romance of the three kingdoms.so many great warriors and the life style they had.hey maalii i know you said you aint a big gamer, but you should give romance of the three kingdoms game a try, tommorow a new game is coming out.Romance Of The Three Kingdoms IX (9).for the ps2 but they have it for the pc too.  |
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Post by Maalii on Feb 23, 2004 21:03:44 GMT -5
hey yeah i love romance of the three kingdoms.so many great warriors and the life style they had.hey maalii i know you said you aint a big gamer, but you should give romance of the three kingdoms game a try, tommorow a new game is coming out.Romance Of The Three Kingdoms IX (9).for the ps2 but they have it for the pc too. Yes I'll bet the game is pretty amazing, but I guess as much as video game technology has advanced I've never really been up on it (even though I have plenty of friends that are). My big time sink related to RTK and such (in addition to reading RTK and other ancient epics--just finished another read of the Iliad a couple days ago) is actually WRITING a warrior epic. Look for it in 5 to 10 years. It is patterned after RTK except it takes place in a very different time (let's just say VERY long ago) with different technology (ranging from Civil War level stuff at the beginning to somewhat beyond 2004 tech at the end) which demands of course different execution of strategy. I am currently 100+ pages into the first draft right now (which means about 1/10 of the way to completion of the first draft). Maaliya Maalii, by the way, is arguably the greatest warrior of this epic, a character that dominates about 1/5 of the epic (latter 60 percent or so of the 2nd of the 3 books). His spectacular assassination ends book 2. Again, you'll have to wait 10 years or so to find out what he's all about. |
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Post by PuyoGirl on Feb 23, 2004 22:30:26 GMT -5
It seemed like an endless litany of killings by and endless number of characters whom I could never keep straight. However, it soon starts shaping up, and if you stick with it you'll soon start to get into the flow of the story and become completely taken by it. By the end of the book, you will probably see why I, like so many other readers, believe this is the greatest warrior epic ever written. thanks, Maalii! This is pretty much what I was hoping to hear!!!! and so off I go to give it the old girlscout one-two!  wish me luck! |
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Post by Eowyn on Feb 24, 2004 9:39:31 GMT -5
Hey Maalii, that is both great and magnificent that you are writing a warrior epic!
I also have had an idea to write an epic story: one using the sharp, poetic, impassioned language that is found in the Iliad (one of my favorite stories) or The Song Of Roland, both full of pathos. I also like The Epic Of Gilgamesh.
But for now I am working on a journey type of story, and I created my own time period in it - one that cannot be placed. It includes motorcycles and (may sound silly) dart guns!
Am on page 60, so you inspire me, being so far along in your book.
I look forward to pre-ordering your masterpiece in the near future! What a marvelous character - Maaliya Maalii!
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Post by Maalii on Feb 24, 2004 12:39:33 GMT -5
Hey Maalii, that is both great and magnificent that you are writing a warrior epic! I also have had an idea to write an epic story: one using the sharp, poetic, impassioned language that is found in the Iliad (one of my favorite stories) or The Song Of Roland, both full of pathos. I also like The Epic Of Gilgamesh. But for now I am working on a journey type of story, and I created my own time period in it - one that cannot be placed. It includes motorcycles and (may sound silly) dart guns! Am on page 60, so you inspire me, being so far along in your book. I look forward to pre-ordering your masterpiece in the near future! What a marvelous character - Maaliya Maalii! Eowyn- Good luck on your book. I need to read the Song of Roland, since I have heard so much about it. The Iliad is indeed quite a story. Until last week I hadn't read it since my youth. It's amazing how much more you enjoy a classic when you're reading it because you WANT to rather than because it was some kind of assignment. In the meantime, I find that AOW gives me plenty of additional inspiration, in addition to being so fun to watch. This reminds me, someone ought to do European drama series of the quality of AOW--can you imagine the Arthurian legend in a drama series on the AOW level? |
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wish me luck!