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Post by truth on Jun 18, 2023 15:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by sageuk on Jun 18, 2023 15:39:02 GMT -5
Hey Iโve seen some of these. From a naver blog. I think I visited his site even
Was the loss of gold in the architecture due to both Neo-Confucian values saying they shouldnโt be extravagant and/or reflect its status as a vassal country? Or for economic reasons?
Was the dragon fish roof ruling family exclusive or did other nobles have them as well? Buddhist temples no doubt had them but dragons are usually ruling family
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Post by truth on Jun 18, 2023 16:08:42 GMT -5
Hey Iโve seen some of these. From a naver blog. Was the loss of gold in the architecture due to both Neo-Confucian values saying they shouldnโt be extravagant and/or reflect its status as a vassal country? Or for economic reasons? I think it's probably both the Neo-Confucian value and economic reasons. Joseon's economy was devasted after both Imjin War and the Qing Invasion. Many Confucian scholars thought it would be a waste of money to build extravagant buildings as a result. The currently remaining Joseon architecture is just post-Imjin War & post-Qing Invasion style buildings by the way. Joseon most likely had buildings that are similar to Goryeo architecture prior to Imjin War.  This is a Japanese painting of Gyeongbok Palace based on what the Japanese saw during the Imjin War /cloudfront-ap-northeast-1.images.arcpublishing.com/chosun/TGNOCRMV2BAFNMXWSYCV3VH2TI.JPG) Joseon's Buddhist painting from the 1400s People floating on the sky are imaginary but I don't think they would draw a palace out of imagination |
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Post by sageuk on Jun 18, 2023 17:22:24 GMT -5
Were they actually gold or was it gold like coverings? I saw some photos of roof tiles from a Gaesong Goryeo exhibit online and most of the roof tiles they had were not gold.
I sometimes wonder that even if a Korean historical does use gold roof tiles, the ignorant public will cause a backlash because theyโre so used to the more well known Joseon era roofs
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Post by truth on Jun 18, 2023 18:02:41 GMT -5
Were they actually gold or was it gold like coverings? It seems to be actual gold based on this article. An actual golden artifact used on the roof has been discovered. www.tinnews.co.kr/10760I sometimes wonder that even if a Korean historical does use gold roof tiles, the ignorant public will cause a backlash because theyโre so used to the more well known Joseon era roofs That's probably the biggest reason for using post-Imjin War Joseon dynasty style film set for all Korean historicals regardless of the time period aside from the budget. Common Three Kingdoms Period Architecture If a film set was ever made resembling this building, the average person might get upset and say "This looks too Japanese."  Example of Japanese architecture Japan was influenced by Korean Three Kingdoms and Tang dynasty architecture. Korean architecture style changed over the years while Japan maintained the same style to this day. If a film set was ever made resembling the palace from the 1400s Joseon painting from above, the average person might get upset and say "This looks too Chinese." The general public already have a fixed mindset on what is supposed to be "Korean" and just assume that all Korean buildings looked the same for 2000 years. |
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Post by ajk on Jun 19, 2023 15:19:34 GMT -5
This is wonderful stuff, thanks for the thread! We've had some questions in past series about whether or not the buildings they're filming in are right for the time period of the story. So this thread could be very helpful. I appreciate the good idea.
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Post by truth on Jun 19, 2023 16:19:52 GMT -5
We've had some questions in past series about whether or not the buildings they're filming in are right for the time period of the story. Unfortunately, it's not accurate most of the time. Especially anything pre-Joseon. All Korean historicals are filmed in post-Imjin War style Joseon dynasty palace film set regardless of the time period. Even when they say that they are building a new film set because their drama doesn't take place in Joseon, they always color everything to resemble Joseon dynasty style. They built a Goryeo palace film set for EWG based on the remaining site of Goryeo palace in North Korea and the remaining descriptions of how it looked like, but they built it to look like a Joseon palace as much as possible. It's not like there isn't a description of how the palace looked like. A book written by a Song dynasty diplomat called "Illustrated Account of Goryeo" clearly describes the colors of the palace and how it was extravagant as Song dynasty palace even though Goryeo is supposed to be a lesser country than Song. But the EWG staff colored everything to make it look like a Joseon dynasty palace.  Here's the Goryeo palace film set built and used in EWG (destroyed in 2008 and replaced with Joseon palace film set for GKS)  Here's how it really looked like.  This is a Goryeo palace film set built and used in MBC Shindon. Looks nothing like the picture above and resembles a Joseon dynasty palace even more so than the EWG one. It has since been used as a film set for historicals about all time period : Goguryeo, Shilla, Baekje, Joseon you name it. I remember it being used in Jumong as either Buyeo or Goguryeo palace and as Joseon palace in Yi San. It was most often used as a Joseon dynasty palace since most historicals take place in Joseon. I think it most recently appeared in tvN Under the Queen's Umbrella. The upcoming KBS historical Goryeo-Khitan War will be filmed at a Joseon dynasty palace as well since they won't be building a new film set. Not sure which film set, but I'm assuming it will most likely be the one that was built for GKS. The upcoming TVING & Paramount+ historical Queen Woo will also either be filmed at a Joseon dynasty film set or the Joseon-dynasty style film set that was supposedly a Goryeo palace built by the Shindon team in my opinion. I'm hoping Paramount can provide some money for a new Goguryeo film set, but will probably not happen. |
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Post by truth on Oct 8, 2023 21:48:55 GMT -5
 \ Accurate Goguryeo architecture in webtoon  Goryeo buddhist painting currently owned by Japan Although Buddhas in the picture are imaginary, the building is most likely a representation of actual buildings at the time  You can still find some remnants of the Goryeo's architecture design in Joseon's Changdeok Palace The red pillar design from Goryeo painting is found in Joseon's ridgepole design Since the same design is still found in a Late Joseon style building, the 2nd picture is very likely an accurate portrayal of actual Goryeo buildings Same red pillar design is found on Early Joseon painting from 1400s Palace in this picture looks very similar to Goryeo building in the 2nd picture Seems like the only thing that changed is the blue paintwork below the roof, which is Mongolian-influenced. Korean buildings did not have blue paintwork below the roof prior to Mongol invasion, but this never gets reflected in any historical. All historicals, including the ones that take place BC like Jumong, use the same post-Imjin War style Joseon dynasty film set. I read some comments by Japanese viewers of Korean historicals and couldn't agree more with the comment that said "I was just watching Jumong and realized it's the same building used in a Joseon dynasty historical. Did Koreans have same architecture for 2000 years?" I really want to see a Goryeo palace looking like the one in the 2nd picture in a Goryeo historical and a palace looking like the last picture in Early Joseon setting historical, but unfortunately we'll always see the same 18th century style Joseon palace in all historicals regardless of the era. |
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Post by sageuk on Oct 8, 2023 22:55:40 GMT -5
Blue paint below the roof? Is it connected to the greens seen in Gyeongbokgung and other such buildings?  |
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Post by truth on Oct 8, 2023 23:01:00 GMT -5
Blue paint below the roof? Is it connected to the greens seen in Gyeongbokgung and other such buildings? View AttachmentYes, green is probably more accurate word to describe this color. My bad. |
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