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Post by ajk on Jan 2, 2022 20:08:29 GMT -5
...is up on Kocowa now. I'll try to get to it tonight; a lot on my plate at the moment.
Remember you have 24 hours to watch it on Kocowa without paying.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 2, 2022 20:28:30 GMT -5
I think this is the first depiction of Jeong Mongju's assassination that takes place in open daylight.
The previous dramas had it happen in nighttime. Historically he was killed in open daylight.
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episode 8
Jan 2, 2022 20:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by MTR on Jan 2, 2022 20:34:46 GMT -5
Some good news the ratings are getting better . The latest two episodes have made it to 10% plus .
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Post by sageuk on Jan 2, 2022 20:43:16 GMT -5
This ep was a spike in quality.
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Post by truth on Jan 2, 2022 20:54:36 GMT -5
I think this is the first depiction of Jeong Mongju's assassination that takes place in open daylight. The previous dramas had it happen in nighttime. Historically he died in open daylight. That is not true. We don't exactly know whether he died during day or night. Time of the day is not written anywhere in historical record. It is only assumed that he was killed during daytime because there were apparently many people passing by when the assassination happened. Reasons for this assumption are : 1. There was no electricity at the time and most people wouldn't be walking around in complete darkness. 2. Jeong Mongju would most likely not be walking around at night when he would know that he could easily be assassinated at night due to the situation he has put himself into at the time. All the past historical writers depicted Jeong Mongju's death during night because : 1. It is not actually written in history that he died during daytime. Daytime death is only assumed due to the description "Many people walking by witnessing the death" 2. Night time death looks cooler. Some good news the ratings are getting better . The latest two episodes have made it to 10% plus . Guessing some viewers that used to watch Red Sleeves may have moved over to this drama now that drama has ended.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 2, 2022 20:57:50 GMT -5
I see. The daylight thing was an inference.
Regardless, this is the first time an I've seen an on-screen depiction of his death in daylight. It's kinda refreshing to be honest.
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Post by ajk on Jan 3, 2022 4:39:33 GMT -5
All the past historical writers depicted Jeong Mongju's death during night because : ...2. Night time death looks cooler. Yeah, that way they can use the flaming arrows! Sorry, force of habit. This one again was better than the first six. Minimal silliness, and it was interesting and unexpected to see the assassination in the daytime. If there’s reason to think that it may have in fact happened in the daytime, then give the series credit for breaking with tradition and showing it that way. A dose of credibility that the series needs at this point. I didn’t care for the drone cameras—it made the whole thing a little too Marvel-Comics-movie-ish—but otherwise it was very well done. And they sure did splurge for lots of extras to be commoners, that made it look even better. “Tell his majesty...that I went to show him he need not fear General Lee.” I’ve never understood how Mongju could be so naive and leave himself completely without protection at this moment of highest stakes. Maybe in real life things were so civil that he had no reason to suspect trouble? But in this version of the story it makes him look like a fool. For that matter, why didn’t Gongyang order protection for him? Why would Bangwon be so shocked that dad went bonkers like he did? This was the one bit of silliness in the episode. He should have expected every bit of it. And then he says “I was not disobeying you.” Seriously? They paid someone to write that line? Talk about easy money...yecch! Lee Jiran: “I am sorry, Seonggye. I had no idea this would happen.” Yeah because it’s not like Bangwon hasn’t lost his temper and killed anybody important before. Naaaah. Wow Mrs. Kang is cold, the way she barged in and chewed out her husband as he’s sitting there grieving. Yeah everything she said was correct, but at least let him process things. And then hugs him like he’s a hurt child, this is quite a character they’re developing. OK so we’re one-fourth of the way through the 32 episodes. Seems like they’d better get moving on the plot! If we’re going to end up where we saw the first episode begin, they’re running way behind the pace they need to maintain to get us there.
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Post by mugwump on Jan 3, 2022 8:52:47 GMT -5
Speaking of time marching on... the younger set of sons at the end of the episode look older than the sons seen in Episode 1. So I guess time has passed. Lady Kang is smoothing out the way for LSG to become king so she can be queen. Asking the older set of sons to do the dirty work to get there. Then when it's time to appoint successor, her sons' hands will be clean and she can persuade LSG to appoint one of hers, as they don't have the baggage. The signs are there.
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Post by truth on Jan 3, 2022 11:13:51 GMT -5
All the past historical writers depicted Jeong Mongju's death during night because : ...2. Night time death looks cooler. “Tell his majesty...that I went to show him he need not fear General Lee.” I’ve never understood how Mongju could be so naive and leave himself completely without protection at this moment of highest stakes. Maybe in real life things were so civil that he had no reason to suspect trouble? As he said in the drama, he didn't think Lee Seonggye would kill him. He knew that he was too popular among people to be killed. It'd be like assassinating a presidential candidate with over 80% approval rating. Lee Seonggye was already disliked by people for killing national hero Choi Young. Killing him in addition to Choi Young would hurt LSG's reputation and would become a burden to his path to establishing new dynasty. This is the reason why LSG gets very upset about his death. Consequence was as expected. Many people didn't welcome the new dynasty. It wasn't like LSG killed villainous people to become king. He killed national hero Choi Young, young child king Chang, respected and honored scholar Jeong Mongju, and later even killed King Gongyang who was not a tyrant. Chang was killed by Gongyang and Jeong Mongju was killed by LBW, but both deaths were blamed on LSG. Lack of popularity leads LSG to massacre Wang royal family to prevent possible Wang restoration movement and eventually move the capital to today's Seoul. He was especially hated in Kaegyong(Goryeo's capital), so he had to start fresh in a new city. Relationship between Jeong Mongju and Lee Seonggye is often compared to relationship between Xun Yu and Cao Cao in the Romance of Three Kingdoms. Xun Yu was Cao Cao's trusted advisor until he realized Cao Cao intended to create a new dynasty. Xun Yu insisted Cao's mission was to protect and restore falling Han dynasty and that he would not approve of such a move. Xun Yu's death Romance of Three Kingdoms : Xun Yu committed suicide shortly after making his remarks. History : He died of illness, but it is suspected that Cao Cao may have poisoned him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xun_YuThis episode tried to be historically accurate as much as possible. Some of the examples in addition to Jeong Mongju's death are : 1. Hanging up Jeong Mongju's head after killing him 2. Lee Banggwa telling King Gongyang to free Jeong Dojeon and punish Kim Jinyang. He did really go to the king shortly after Jeong Mongju's death and told the king, "That's right. We killed him. You can either punish us or punish Jeong Mongju's friends." 3. Kim Jinyang did really testify Jeong Mongju framed Jeong Dojeon, Jo Jun, and the likes after being tortured.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 3, 2022 16:38:10 GMT -5
In the past times I've seen Jeong Mongju's death in dramas, this is the second one in which I've seen Jeong Mongju's head put in display. The first time was in MBC's King of Chudong Palace (though his face is obscured).
His head being displayed was only told to the viewers in Jeong Dojeon, but it isn't shown at all.
I don't know if Tears of the Dragon showed his head in display or not.
This is going to sound strange to ask, especially from me, but where does this rank in "best dramatic depictions of Jeong Mongju's death?" I think it's pretty high up.
Kinda miss the poem exchange between Poeun and Yi Bangwon though.
I liked the scene of Jeong Mongju and Yi Seonggye's final meeting.
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Post by simisteve on Feb 9, 2022 0:11:40 GMT -5
This episode aired Sunday, 2/6 in Los Angeles. I need some help on this one, as it's running time was very short (about 30 mins max). I think the LA Station is back to editing out scenes as they've done in the past to other programs. What was most jarring was suddenly seeing JDJ show up post-torture to advise Bangwon to lay low and let him take care of things. He looked pretty good for a torture victim, just a cut lip to show and no limping, etc! Did they cut out scenes of his being released, etc? What was he doing there suddenly?
I'm going to have to watch this on Dramacool to see what the heck happened. I believe they also cut out dialog of the scene between LSG and Poeun as well.
EDIT: Just watched this on Dramacool. My Lord, they cut out from 20 mins in (last scene was the embrace between LSG and his wife who just scolded him) to 35 mins in (where the brothers are meeting at night and learn about Lee Seak). 15 mins gone, which explained about JDJ, etc. Sheesh. I'm speechless.
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