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Post by MTR on Apr 12, 2012 11:14:50 GMT -5
They did lose a part of Goguryeo though that was the deal they struck with Tang .
Still this is going to be funny because in many circles Muyeol is regarded as a sell out and of course they are going to whitewash this guy . I expect many viewers will get angry about this .
I can see the drama concentrate on his early days though and avoid the controversial stuff at least until the end but i hope to god we do not get the usual cliches like being some sort of lost son and having various hijinks with his trusted companions before he claims his birthright .
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Post by hapha on Apr 12, 2012 11:18:39 GMT -5
honestly, i haven't devotedly watched any of KBS' sageuks. it's just either i eventually lost interest on the first few episodes or even just watching the first 2. perhaps i'll give this Taejong Muyeol a try. but its still way too far. 2013?
@ truth: where do you happen to find those infos, on Bidam (or other historical figures)? aside from wiki? as much as i enjoyed QSD despite its inaccuracy... i'd still want to know who they really were in real history.
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Post by truth on Apr 12, 2012 11:21:29 GMT -5
They did lost a part of Goguryeo though that was the deal they struck with Tang . And those parts were regained by Dae Jo Young shortly after. I think the reason they changed the name of drama is because the drama isn't just going to be about Muyeol. It seems that the drama will start all the way from King Jinpyung's period(or possibly even Jinheung and Jinji), which means they're going through QSD and Queen Jindeok before Muyeol. It is also possible that they might cover Muyeol's son King Munmu as well in order to show the fall of Goguryo and Silla's war against the Chinese. Also, Great King doesn't necessarily mean Muyeol was a great king. His tomb says Taejong Muyeol the Great King on it and pretty much every Korean kings referred themselves as the 'Great King'. It's basically like their title. Koreans wanted to call their rulers as emperors, but they couldn't do that because of the Chinese. Koreans couldn't use emperor and wanted to distinguish themselves from just being 'kings, so they called all their kings as 'Great King.' Koryo was the only Korean kingdom that was able to call their ruler as emperor since the Chinese dynasty was Song, which was weak compared to other Chinese dynasties.
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Post by truth on Apr 12, 2012 11:25:03 GMT -5
honestly, i haven't devotedly watched any of KBS' sageuks. it's just either i eventually lost interest on the first few episodes or even just watching the first 2. perhaps i'll give this Taejong Muyeol a try. but its still way too far. 2013? @ truth: where do you happen to find those infos, on Bidam (or other historical figures)? aside from wiki? as much as i enjoyed QSD despite its inaccuracy... i'd still want to know who they really were in real history. The show starts on August 2012, not 2013. I get my information on Korean wiki, Naver encyclopedia, Korean history websites, or my Korean history books.
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Post by MTR on Apr 12, 2012 20:25:41 GMT -5
So i wonder if we will see Mishil in this ? ,No real loss if we do not as she may be a fiction .
Back to Bidam he was a son of either Jinpyung or Jingi and we have no idea who his mother was well at least not for us who only speak or read English . I like that we have an older Bidam and yes the psycho pretty boy in QSD was cool but a fiction .
The area Goguryeo lost if im correct was Manchuria and Balhae took it back and than Goryeo took it after the fall of Balhae and it was part of Goryeo than Joseon who lost it in the 20th century if i am right ,actually i should just post these as questions to Truth rather than statements as he is our expert and us who only speak English learn from him as our own sources in Eng are pretty lacking .
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Post by truth on Apr 12, 2012 21:39:30 GMT -5
So i wonder if we will see Mishil in this ? ,No real loss if we do not as she may be a fiction . Back to Bidam he was a son of either Jinpyung or Jingi and we have no idea who his mother was well at least not for us who only speak or read English . I like that we have an older Bidam and yes the psycho pretty boy in QSD was cool but a fiction . The area Goguryeo lost if im correct was Manchuria and Balhae took it back and than Goryeo took it after the fall of Balhae and it was part of Goryeo than Joseon who lost it in the 20th century if i am right ,actually i should just post these as questions to Truth rather than statements as he is our expert and us who only speak English learn from him as our own sources in Eng are pretty lacking . Bidam was not a son of King Jinpyung or Jinji. If he was, he would have been king before QSD. QSD became the queen, because there was no other Seongol male left to take the throne. There is no information left about Bidam's parents. Goryeo didn't take Machuria after fall of Balhae. Khitans were just too strong for Goryeo. Goryeo managed to defeat and kick out the Khitan invaders unlike Balhae, but they were not strong enough to invade Khitan soil. Joseon took some parts of Manchuria, not the entire Manchuria. Joseon's territory in Manchuria is called Kando, which Joseon was forced to give up to Russia in 1909. Kando was given to China after the Soviets and Chinese signed treaties. There was a small movement in Korea to take back Kando from China, which of course didn't work out. Joseon also had land in present-day Russia called Nokdundo(also taken by Russia in the age of Imperialism), located in the border between North Korea and Russia. This was the place where Yi Soon Shin was stationed to fight the Jurchens off(remember that from IYSS?). It belongs to Russia now, but there is a talk about negotiating with Russia to get Nokdundo back once two Koreas are unified. After all, it is a place where Korea's most revered hero Yi Soon Shin fought hard to protect Korea. Going back to the title 'Great King' or Dae Wang, I should have said most Korean kings called themselves Great Kings, not all of them. Many Korean rulers in the earliest period of Korea had other distinct titles. Rulers in Old Joseon, the first Korean kingdom, were called Dangun, meaning Chief Priest. Baekjae rulers were called Uhraha as shown in King Geunchogo or Gungilji. Both Uhraha and Gungilji meant Great King in ancient Korean. These were replaced with Dae Wang, the Sino-Korean for Great King, after Baekjae accepted Chinese culture. Jumong, the founder of Goguryo, was called the Holy King(Sung Wang). Yuri, the son of Jumong, was called the Shining King(Myung Wang). The temple name of Yuri's son, Daemushin, the son of Yuri, means The Great Warrior God. All Goguryean kings afterwards were called Imperial King(Tae Wang), Shining King, or Great King. Silla had the most distincitive titles of all. Park Hyukguhsae, the founder of Silla, was called the Guhsuhgan, which meant noble person in ancient Korean. Namhae, the son of Hyukguhsae, was called Chachawoong, or shaman in ancient Korean. 3rd to 16th rulers of Silla were called Isageum, or the Wise One in ancient Korean. 17th to 21st rulers of Silla were called Maripkan, or the One who holds Highest Post in ancient Korean. Every kings since 22nd ruler King Jijeung were called 'Great King.' Balhae kings did the same. Goryeo rulers were called emperors until they came under Mongolian influence. Kings during Mongolian era all the way up to the last ruler were just called kings, not Great King. Joseon again called their rulers Great Kings except for 4 rulers. Yeonsan and Gwanghae were never officially recognized as a king, so they were called as Prince. Joseon changed its name to the Korean Empire during Gojong's rule, so Gojong and Soonjong were called emperors.
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Post by soapygrams on Apr 12, 2012 22:13:37 GMT -5
;)kam sa hamnida - Thank you Truth for your very concise and informative posting regard the kings of ancient Korea/et al.
It is a really good feeling to know some of this information as I watch the various historical dramas. As usual, your information is most appreciated.
have a good day.
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Post by sageuk on Apr 13, 2012 18:38:01 GMT -5
Dream of the Great King? Wow, what a corny title
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Post by truth on Apr 13, 2012 23:13:00 GMT -5
;)kam sa hamnida - Thank you Truth for your very concise and informative posting regard the kings of ancient Korea/et al. It is a really good feeling to know some of this information as I watch the various historical dramas. As usual, your information is most appreciated. have a good day. You're welcome! I forgot to mention Goong Ye, the founder of Later Goguryeo. He called himself an emperor like Goryo rulers. Another news to casting : Ban Hyo Jung(Iron Empress's grandmother in Iron Empress) will be playing Dowager Queen Sado. Dowager Queen Sado was the wife of King Jinheung, the mother of King Jinji, the grandmother of King Jinpyung, and the great-grandmother of QSD. Here's my fantasy casting. I want Ahn Jae Mo, the actor of Jin Seung in King Geunchogo, as King Munmu(Muyeol's son) if they are going to cover Munmu in this drama. Choi Chul Ho as Uija was my another fantasy casting and he got casted for the exact role I wanted, so hopefully the same will happen with Ahn Jae Mo.
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Post by MTR on Apr 13, 2012 23:39:02 GMT -5
Seems they are going way back before babe Chunchu was born in this one .
Thanks Truth for the clarifications and info .
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Post by truth on May 1, 2012 10:00:09 GMT -5
The start date has been changed to August 4th.
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Post by MTR on May 1, 2012 17:08:02 GMT -5
I have a feeling this one will be a marathon running about 150 eps ,considering they are going way back to start it . Now just pray no Gladiator stuff or Muyeol lost in the wilderness with his two loyal buds unaware he is a prince .
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Post by truth on May 1, 2012 17:46:25 GMT -5
I have a feeling this one will be a marathon running about 150 eps ,considering they are going way back to start it . Now just pray no Gladiator stuff or Muyeol lost in the wilderness with his two loyal buds unaware he is a prince . The current plan is 80 episodes, but it could be changed anytime if ratings are high. I doubt that it will ever get to 150 eps though. Muyeol had never been a prince. Only Seonggols were recongnized as princes and Muyeol was a Jinggol.
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Post by MTR on May 2, 2012 1:09:46 GMT -5
What is the structure are Seongoles and Jingols bloodlines or part of the bone rank ?
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Post by truth on May 2, 2012 2:11:22 GMT -5
What is the structure are Seongoles and Jingols bloodlines or part of the bone rank ? There is no way to know the difference between Seonggols and Jinggols today. We just know that Jinngols were below the Seonggol rank and that they would have never became eligible for the thrones without the extinction of the Seonggols.
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