shiku
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Post by shiku on May 9, 2011 23:57:05 GMT -5
I recently started watching this drama although I was about to give up as the earlier episodes were boring but now am glad I didn't. I just watched the battle of Okpo which was awesome but I cannot figure out how the Japanese Naval General Dodo got out alive when he really should have been fishfood. His boat was sandwiched between two boats firing canons at him, he should have died.
Kudos to the actor portraying him, he did an awesome job.
I also don't like Chunsu he is so annoying (Almost as annoying as Hae Bin bother in Dong yi). Will he die? I hope he does
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Post by sageuk on May 10, 2011 1:20:43 GMT -5
The actor broke his leg so they just dropped him, along with the negative response to this character. So you won't be seeing him again. They also posted his fate on the website, saying he does get killed.
When did it start picking up for you? When the main lead becomes officer or when the war starts?
Yeesh, I'd like more veteran viewers to have a chat here.
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Post by griffin on May 10, 2011 7:31:32 GMT -5
Here is a question to all . NAME AN ACCURATE HISTORICAL DRAMA It can be from any country on the planet . Im saying this because i can not think of one single drama that has not been fudged in someway . I would as far as Korean Historicals have said AOW but than it goes off the charts with li Umin and his Silla revival Empress Wu, historical China production. I doubt it's 100 % accurate but it's so totally unlike any other sageuk I've seen. It's filled with the complexities of imperirum, mannerisms and culture of that era. It's hardly likely to be popular with the casual sageuk viewer who might expect the usual formula. It is exactly what it is, a historical portrayal of the woman who became Empress Wu. I like it, in small doses (due to the pacing), because the sageuk never pretends to be otherwise. It's like the script writer and producers had one singular purpose; to portray Empress Wu according to records with as much logical speculations on missing facts.
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Post by MTR on May 10, 2011 11:37:38 GMT -5
Which one ?there have been so many on her > Did you actually find a subtitled one ?,for some reason China hardly subs their dramas anymore.
I saw a 2004 drama on Wu but i gave up because they went all Sleeping Beauty/Cinderella/Romeo and Juliet with it .
Zhang Yimou was going to make a film on Wu but the chinese government kept interfering and making him change scenes ,finally he gave up and did Golden Flower with the Wu cast .
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Post by griffin on May 10, 2011 12:32:55 GMT -5
I think it's a 2005 sageuk, Empress Wu Zetian of China. It's available in Yesasia but sorry, there is no English subtitle. When it was screened on tv, there was no sub either. I understand and read Chinese so it's no problem for me.
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Post by TheBo on May 10, 2011 14:09:21 GMT -5
I liked the whole thing (IYSS), actually. It helped me develop patience, and in the end, I thought the earlier episodes built up the character better. I'm not saying they could not have trimmed it some, but many of us saw the disastrous hatchet job they did when releasing it on DVD (104 eps down to 36 or so). If it had been shot that way, they could have written it better, but in the cutting, they cut all the heart out. I think I might have given that there opinion 49 times, now. ;D
Bo
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Post by MTR on May 10, 2011 14:54:14 GMT -5
I do like the fact that IYSS and Won Kyun have no past history in the edited version though .
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Post by shiku on May 12, 2011 16:48:12 GMT -5
@ Saguek it started to get interesting for me when he went to the pottery village
Wow what an awesome show! I can't believe I never heard of him before but he was clearly a hero. This just became my number one show. I am literally crying my eyes out despite the fact that I knew he would die.
My thoughts on several characters Yi Soon-Shin He had a lot of courage, patience, kindness and determination. He never took his eye off the prize (defeating Jurchens and Japanese) despite being demoted, promoted, tortured, his loyalty questioned, his son and his master being killed, his girlfriend abducted, taking care of the navy with no money, loosing his subordinates at sea and being targeted by jealous colleagues.
Prime Minister, Ever loyal to the King and Yi Soon-Shin. He tried to guide the King to the right path but ultimately didn't succeed. I think he left because he got so disgusted with the King and the Royal court who didn't care about the people. He was also a master manipulator in the way he got the King to do what he wanted.
King Sunjo What a depraved and incompetent King he turned out to be. A complete 180 from where he started out as. Why would he choose to retain unfaithful and corrupt ministers over faithful retainers? Why would he be jealous of his own son when he should be proud of him? Did the corrupt ministers change him because he got tired of fighting them or was he just plain crazy?
Won Kyun All brawn but no brains. I have to say I got a big kick seeing him get flogged for not attacking Pusan lol. If only he let go of his jealousy earlier, he wouldnt have lost the fleet. Although I can't blame him for being hurt after being betrayed by his friends he should have examined himself
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Post by shiku on May 12, 2011 16:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by MTR on May 12, 2011 18:57:08 GMT -5
Im starting to hate Mac because all these download sites and free to watch are for PC only . But i got it,Shiku you are a gem thank you . BTW do you know of a Sindon /shindon download
Much as i like IYSS i still think its not as good as AOW and EWG.
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Post by shiku on May 12, 2011 22:08:39 GMT -5
I was debating with myself which is better but the IYSS battle scenes gave it the edge. I haven't finished watching EWG so my opinion may change. Haven't watched Age of Warriors yet so I don't know where I would rank it. I am hesitant to watch it because it seems to be all about coups and countercoups (if there is such a word lol). Shin Don I didn't find a link showing hard subs but you can download the raw files and subtitle files in the same folder then use VLC media player to play the raw file and its respective subtitle file. Also both names should match apart from avi or srt at the end. If they don't match you can always rename them e.g. Shin Don 01.avi -raw file Shin Don 01.srt -subtitle raw files thundie.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/shin-don-download-links/subtitles www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_59937.htmI haven't watched it yet so hopefully it is good
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Post by MTR on May 12, 2011 23:01:31 GMT -5
Wow thank you so much ,it also has a link to conspiracy in the court.
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Post by sageuk on May 15, 2011 21:21:45 GMT -5
Trivia. Some people may or may not know this, but alot of historical dramas were sometimes based on novels in Korea. Emperor of the Sea was originally a novel (though according to my mom the novel and drama are completely different), Tears of the Dragon was one also, 8 Days was originally a novel, Hwang Jini was a novel...there was even a novel about Mishil, though my mom tells me the book and QSD have little in common.
Two books about the Imjin War and Yi Soon Shin were used as a basis for IYSS. One was called Immortal, by Kim Takhwan, the other SOng of the Sword, by Kim Hoon. Both novels were controversial in some matter and some artistic licenses. Immortal was accused by critics of glorifying Won Gyun; the Won Gyun of the drama was based on the novel, the macho guy that was depicted here. I haven't read Immortal, but I hear it showcases the lives people's lives during the war, from merchants (CHun-su) to peasants to samurai to commanders.
I've read a comic book version of Song of the Sword, and I remember more the pictures than the story, but I do remember that it starts with Yi Soon Shin's imprisonment, a teenage girl who is in love with the admiral (by today's standard's that's just CREEPY) and shows Yi kill a Japanese POW in anger. I hear the novel was an attempt to show the admiral as not a hero, but as a person, thus a first person narrative of the admiral. According to an article I read, The Admiral Yi Sun-sin in Song of the Sword is not an extraordinary superhuman or a mythical hero, but an individual caught up in existential agony in the midst of war. The strength that keeps him fighting in battle is not rooted in his loyalty to the state or the king, or his love for the people. He fights on with all his might because he has been thrown into this situation called war. His life becomes one with his sword, and his voice becomes the song of the sword. Because he keeps fighting despite a premonition that he will not make it out alive, his spirit cannot free itself from a sense of nihilism.
I don't remember anything nihilistic about YSS. Does anybody?
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Post by MTR on May 16, 2011 14:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by shiku on May 17, 2011 10:25:44 GMT -5
If you take nihilism to be the rejection of moral, religious and heirachal structure, one can say he was nihilistic. He allowed everyone despite their social status to take the navy exam and was ready to use the tax grains to save the sick soldiers even though they were supposed to go to the crazy King without fail. Some people may take it to mean he was nihilistic by defying social norms. In addition he wasn't a particular religious person. However it was reasonable for him to promote soldiers already in the army than train newbies. It was also reasonable to use the grains for medicine and any 'normal' king who cared for his people would realize this.
However, I personally don't think he was nihilistic. His main goal was to stop the persecution of chosunese people and stop the invasion. This is what made him come back to the navy again despite the risk of being tortured again and killed by a jealous king. I don't think the song author can simply explain this away as being trapped in the war. Fighting for your people is a noble goal that has made other people in other countries rise up and fight against invasions from other countries e.g. colonialism.
I don't think he expected to die at the end as I remember one of his introspections he wanted to give up the uniform and look after his wife and mother. It is only later when he realized how jealous and distrustful the King was of him did he know the King would kill him when it was all over.
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