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Post by sageuk on May 19, 2015 22:21:53 GMT -5
Bringing this thread back.
I thought up of another thing that could be dramatized. I was looking up Goryeo generals, and I came across the topic of the family feud of the Shim and Yoon clans. Yun Gwan, was a Goryeo general who started the Byeolmuban in order to combat the invading Jurchens. He was then buried someplace in a hill, but the tomb was lost as his family declined. When 17th century Prime Minister Shim Jiwon died, his family buried him in the same hill. During Yeongjo's reign, the Yoon clan, with its influence on the rise again, rediscovered the general's grave - as it turned out, only meters downhill from Shim's. And so the fight between the two families began; gravesites of ancestors were a big deal back then, the families each demanding that the grave be relocated.
Family feuds are kind of a kdrama thing, so this could be appealing. On the other hand, some modern viewers might view a family feud starting because of a mistake over the placement of graves hard to swallow. Alternatively one could make fictional charcters who are members of these clans in a further point in time. If a Kdrama is made though, they'll probably make it a Romeo-Juliet story, because Kdramas love their romances.
Or maybe they already made something about this feud and I don't know about it. I'd like specific events regarding the feud such as attacks and whatnot.
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Post by ajk on May 20, 2015 0:16:21 GMT -5
That could definitely work, in the hands of a good enough writer. Interesting idea.
But you wonder how adventurous KBS will be after the early low ratings of Jingbirok. I hope that doesn't affect their future choices...but you wonder.
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Post by sageuk on May 22, 2015 16:58:18 GMT -5
Here's another one, though it'll probably be a pretty short in length. Its Kim Yushin related, and chances are it may already been adapted (the unification wars for the Three Kingdoms have been done pretty often). What I have in mind is Kim Wonsul, Yushin's son, specifically his disgrace during the war with Tang. The story is that Wonsul and his army got caught in a trap, resulting in many casualties, including seven generals. He wanted to die fighting, but his attendant stopped him, using the "live to fight another day" argument. Kim Yushin was furious, demanding that the king execute him. Wonsul was spared, but was disowned by his parents. Even when his father was dying, his mother wouldn't allow the two to see each other. He lived in seclusion for a while, but returned to battle in which he won vivtories, only to exile himself later.
I think this would be a good one as an examination over how societal views, especially ones that expect you to die fighting, including being the son of a hero, as well as high expectations not met could affect a person.
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Post by truth on May 22, 2015 21:56:58 GMT -5
Here's another one, though it'll probably be a pretty short in length. Its Kim Yushin related, and chances are it may already been adapted (the unification wars for the Three Kingdoms have been done pretty often). What I have in mind is Kim Wonsul, Yushin's son, specifically his disgrace during the war with Tang. The story is that Wonsul and his army got caught in a trap, resulting in many casualties, including seven generals. He wanted to die fighting, but his attendant stopped him, using the "live to fight another day" argument. Kim Yushin was furious, demanding that the king execute him. Wonsul was spared, but was disowned by his parents. Even when his father was dying, his mother wouldn't allow the two to see each other. He lived in seclusion for a while, but returned to battle in which he won vivtories, only to exile himself later. Already done in KBS King's Dream.
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Post by ajk on May 22, 2015 23:58:59 GMT -5
Might work as a shorter stand-alone series...and they could try doing a better job of it than (from what you guys are saying) King's Dream did.
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Post by sageuk on May 24, 2015 1:18:24 GMT -5
As many of you know, I talk about the Sambyeolcho alot. Many of you may remember I tended to question why they turned against their last master, Im Yumu. Some time ago, I got my hands on Wind and the Waves on MTR's recommendation, and found a site showing the text of Goryeosa, right here: osmstar.com.ne.kr/goreosajelo/kframe1.htmSong Songye and Hong Mungye were two officials who hated Im Yumu due to differing stances on the war. Hong Mungye was also married to Im Yumu's sister. One day, the king sent an edict telling officials to return to the old capital, saying that the Mongols will recall their armies. Im Yumu, of course, doesn't obey ansd prepare his people to contue the fighting. (it also says that the Night patrols deployed to the provinces to start up arms were apparently captured and locked up by a pro-Mongol official). Hong gets a secret order to kill the Im family. Song Songnye has two sons who are high ranking milirtary officials, one of them connected with the Sinuigun. They tell the Sambyeolcho continuing the fight is a hopeless cause (at least that's what I think it says), so they kill Im Yumu. I speculate that the promise of withdrawal of Mongol troops was appealing to them, though truth says that they were bought off. A later passage says that they freely took stuff from the warehouses. I think the conflict between Hong and Song and the Ims could be good source of drama as a standalone, with family conflicts and idealogical differences, particularly family ties. It could be done in the manner similar to the conflict between Kim Je Gyu and Park Chung-hee, which was portrayed in The BPresident's Last Bang and the first episode of the 5th Republic. Including it in a Sambyeolcho series however, I think, would be tricky for one reason: after the assassination, those two have no role in the rebellion. It would be odd to have a leading role in the beginning only for them to disappear in the background; no proper closure. The only thing I managed to get about them during the rebllion was them accompanying the Crown Prince to visit Kublai Khan, and that Hong resigned his post (later he becomes an in-law to the Royal Family).
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Post by ajk on May 24, 2015 13:18:09 GMT -5
sageuk at first I read your idea and said no way they'd make a series out of that. But you know what, they could make a very good series out of it for two reasons. One is they could write a lot of drama and character stuff into it and it would still be historically accurate; not like a king or war series where so much is known and there's less freedom to write. The other reason? You could work more women into the story. They're always trying to do that and you could do it very easily in this story.
Maybe the early low ratings for Jingbirok will encourage KBS to not repeat stories and try different ideas like yours.
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Post by sageuk on May 24, 2015 18:36:05 GMT -5
Got another one. If you've read the start of the English translation of Annals of Taejo, you'll see that the writers of of the annals are those who were determined to record the truth, no matter what. It makes you think of reporters who are determined to write about the truth. How about something about the Historiographers? They probably had to deal with those who wanted to be sure that they look good in history.
Yeonsan-gun started a purge because one of the writers wrote bad things about him, the Westerners felt they were being villified and tried to rerecord things, plus the Noron and Soron factions tried getting members of their parties to influence the Annals to fit their tastes. The conflict being the recorders being under scrutiny of corrupt politicians, even with the vow to record the truth with a neutral view.
The only thing to be indecisive about is which period during the Joseon dynasty for it to take place.
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Post by MTR on May 25, 2015 18:29:43 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Yeonsan read a text calling his grandfather a usurper and by definition this would have questioned his own claim to the throne being the grandson of Sejo, as such he persecuted the scholars. We had or have a book list somewhere on this board,anyway there was a book titled The Literati purges that gives a great background on the various battles and purges of rival factions. It was nice to read Yeonsan did not care about his mother as he did not even know her and really only persecuted these scholars who were critical of Sejo, well initially!, as later he became over fond of persecuting people as did his concubine Jang Nok su. Found the list, the book in question is Edward Wagner's The Literati purges . deiner.proboards.com/thread/7728/books-on-sejong-joseon-dynasty All books are in English, time to hit the Library and pick up some for another read .
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Post by sageuk on May 25, 2015 19:53:06 GMT -5
^How did the story of Yeonsan-gun starting purges because of his mother start, anyway?
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Post by sageuk on Jun 6, 2015 19:16:17 GMT -5
Found a wordpress blog about Korean history. While most of the stuff is Three Kingdoms era material, its got juicy material in English and some potential for some of them. I'm irritated that Daemushin wasn't done justice (they do that underdog theme with his early years as usual). I think the one with the most richest material may be Myeongnim Dapbu. figuresofkorea.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/159/Its got stuff perfect in historicals, both non-Korean and Korean. Clashes between clans, power struggles, suffering, love this stuff.
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Post by sageuk on Aug 4, 2015 23:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by MTR on Aug 5, 2015 21:29:56 GMT -5
I hope Jingbirok does not send KBS back to fusion dramas in a quest for ratings .
There is a new film titled The Assassins that covers the peoples liberation movement (i think ), set during the occupation.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 1, 2016 1:11:42 GMT -5
In connection to the Annals, how about the story of two scholars who helped preserved the Annals from the Japanese invaders? Or did Jingbirok cover these guys? www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=72922Samuel Hawley's Imjin War does not mention these two though, giving most of the credit to Yi Chongnan, the official in charge of the repository for the historical records.
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Post by ajk on Jan 1, 2016 15:40:43 GMT -5
This is a very interesting article sageuk--thanks for posting the link. No Jingbirok didn't deal with it. But I'm pretty sure IYSS did, briefly. I do remember seeing a scene showing old records being taken to a remote location to keep them out of enemy hands...can't recall exactly where I saw it but it must have been IYSS, don't know where else it could have been.
You're right, it's a great story and it would have made a good addition to Jingbirok; too bad they didn't include it. Certainly better than the evil-Song Yingchang stuff they used as filler.
One other thing in the article really got my attention:
Pilot Jang Ji-ryang (1924 -) almost got executed for defying orders to open fire on Haeinsa Temple that held the Tripitaka Koreana, the most complete collection of Buddhist texts, engraved on over 80,000 wooden blocks. The Tripitaka, it came up during Shin Don and I learned about it. That pilot is a hero for what he did. What a story.
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