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Post by sageuk on Jan 31, 2016 1:05:55 GMT -5
At first I wondered if the story of Dorim and King Gaero would make a good one, but then thought of the possiblity that there's an unintentional analogy, especially in light of recent news about refugees. For more on the story, see here: figuresofkorea.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/21-spies-lies-and-baduk-tiles-king-gaero/Goguryeo and Baekje are Korean kingdoms of the north and south respectively, and there are two Koreas today, also north and south. Dorim is someone who (pretends) to seek asylum in the south, and ultimately helps bring ruin. I don't know if this is well known, but sometimes North Korean refugees are treated with hostility, espionage accusations being common. And Syrian refugees are being rejected from certain countries on the possibility of being terrorists. I also found this link. BTW, I suggest watching it muted and read the subtitles. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5bdFflSOsWomen warriors in Gaya. Since nothing is known about these people other than skeletal remains that identify as female, any story can be told with lot of freedom (I don't know which year it dates back to), it would be an opportunity to show more female protagonists outside of just consorts in an otherwise male dominated genre. Whether it would be good however, would be questionable, since its a patriarchal society and fusion dramas can be incredibly hit and miss.
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Post by truth on Feb 9, 2016 23:03:49 GMT -5
I think Kim Okgyun might be a good idea, but I don't think it will happen since some people think of Kim Okgyun as a pro-Japanese traitor. To me, he's the Jeong Dojeon of the 19th century, who tried to revolutionize Joseon in a way Fukuzawa Yukichi did for Japan, but failed. KBS traditional historical has been going forward in history since Jeong Dojeon with the exception of Jang Youngsil and I can only imagine Kim Okgyun to be the next step after they do a drama on Jeong Yak Yong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ok-gyunKim Okgyun dressed in western attire.
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Post by sageuk on Feb 9, 2016 23:46:31 GMT -5
Would they do Shin Chae Ho, or would they not because of his anarchist affiliations (then again, KBS did Lee Hoe Young, though it doesn't really go into his ideals of anarchy very much)?
Seo Jaepil might be a good one because he's had so many lives in one lifetime.
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Post by truth on Feb 9, 2016 23:50:36 GMT -5
Would they do Shin Chae Ho, or would they not because of his anarchist affiliations? Seo Jaepil might be a good one because he's had so many lives in one lifetime. Seo Jaepil was so Americanized in his later years that he forgot how to speak Korean, so I doubt they'll do a drama on him.
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Post by sageuk on Feb 11, 2016 0:36:57 GMT -5
If they did Kim Ok Gyeon, they'd be breaking the pattern of J. With Seo Jae Pil, his American name is Phillip Jaisohn, so if they title the drama Jaisohn, they'd keep the pattern... I kinda jest, since its not like KBS' pattern of titles startng with "J" will last forever.
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Post by truth on Feb 11, 2016 16:46:45 GMT -5
If they did Kim Ok Gyeon, they'd be breaking the pattern of J. With Seo Jae Pil, his American name is Phillip Jaisohn, so if they title the drama Jaisohn, they'd keep the pattern... I kinda jest, since its not like KBS' pattern of titles startng with "J" will last forever. I doubt they'll do a historical with an American name. Besides, how are they gonna find someone to play his white wife?
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Post by sageuk on May 28, 2016 21:37:17 GMT -5
I recently got my hands on an English translation of Cho'e Bu's Diary: A Record of Drifting Across the Sea, aka Pyohaerok, the travel memoir of a scholar while on his way to his father's funeral, gets lost at sea and lands o CHina. I ordered it off of Amazon (where I also got WInd and Waves per MTR's recommendation). You can find more information about this person here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choe_BuAs I read these memoirs, I wondered to myself whether it would make for a good drama....then realized there would have been difficulties doing that in the later two thirds, especially when things start to go well for the travelers and the memoirs mostly became sightseeing descriptions. At the start, Cho'e Bu and co. had to deal with bad weather, pirates, crooked bureacrats and hostile villagers, but things ultimately go their way in the end. Alot of scenarios would probably have to be comibned since it can get repetitive: Choe Bu goes to a place, meets with Chinese bureacrat, said bureacrat asks what Korean culture's like, take off etc etc etc I also foun d out that Ming Dynasty clothing is very similar to Joseon clothing, and I'm not just talking about court official clothes.
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Post by truth on Jun 8, 2016 12:45:25 GMT -5
I also found out that Ming Dynasty clothing is very similar to Joseon clothing, and I'm not just talking about court official clothes. At the time, there was a 15th century version of Korean Wave happening in China. Korean style fashion called "Goryeo-yang," which basically means Goryeo-style, became very popular in China. It is said Empress Ki first introduced the Korean fashion to China. Props to Ha Ji Won for leading the Korean Wave in both 15th century and 21st century lol.
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Post by sageuk on Jun 8, 2016 14:52:23 GMT -5
So this time the Chinese copied off of us instead of the other way around, huh.
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Post by truth on Jun 8, 2016 19:59:24 GMT -5
So this time the Chinese copied off of us instead of the other way around, huh. Well, they're pretty much copying everything off from Korea nowadays. Almost every Chinese TV shows are remakes of popular Korean TV shows.
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Post by sageuk on Jun 11, 2016 18:42:47 GMT -5
I recently purchased the book Marginality and Subversion in Korea: The Hong Kyongnae Rebellion of 1812. This rebellion was covered in the drama Sangdo: Way of the Merchant (from the same guy who directed Dae Jang Geum), but there's alot of interesting information on it, such as Jeong Kamlok, a prophecy saying that the Yi dynasty will fall and be replaced by the Jeong, or that Pyongan Province was subject to discrimination to the point even the nobility there were looked down on. I wonder why there haven't been more works about this event. Is it because its not that well known? Or is it because the rebels are technically North Korean? www.amazon.com/Marginality-Subversion-Korea-Rebellion-International/dp/0295989319?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0Prior to getting this book, I read that Hong Gyeongnae was from a fallen yangban family (the Namyang Hong clan). According to this book, however, it says that its a popular story that's questionable. Two sources that are considered reliable (at least that's what the author says) say that he's actually a commoner, a comment by Kim Jo-soon (the Andong Kim who controoled the courts) saying that he's "a man of meager lowly birth."
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Post by truth on Jun 11, 2016 22:58:33 GMT -5
I wonder why there haven't been more works about this event. Is it because its not that well known? Or is it because the rebels are technically North Korean? Prior to getting this book, I read that Hong Gyeongnae was from a fallen yangban family (the Namyang Hong clan). According to this book, however, it says that its a popular story that's questionable. Two sources that are considered reliable (at least that's what the author says) say that he's actually a commoner, a comment by Kim Jo-soon (the Andong Kim who controoled the courts) saying that he's "a man of meager lowly birth." I doubt him being technically "North Korean" has anything to do with him not having his own drama. There have been many dramas with "North Korean" as a main character : Dae Jo Young, King Gwanggaeto, Jumong, Yeon Gaesomoon, Sword and Flower, Emperor Wang Guhnn, Iron Empress, God of War, Age of Warriors, etc. Hell, the main character of Sangdo you mentioned is "North Korean," too. Hong Gyeongnae is from a fallen yangban family, which is pretty much the same thing as a commoner. He was very poor all his life, which is no different from a commoner.
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Post by sageuk on Jun 13, 2016 20:09:51 GMT -5
I wonder why the author says Hong's fallen yangban background was questionable? Also, it said the story goes that his uncle handled his education, and that he took the civil service exam, but failed it. I read that yangban who are unable to get a government post within four generations lose their status. Is that what happened with him?
As for my North Korea comment, I have a reason for saying it. One of my posts said that if a drama about Dorim and King Gaero were made, it could be viewed as an analogy for refugees coming to a country as spies with the goal of destroying it; this is an accusation that North Koreans who fled to the South sometimes face, thus could come across as insulting to them as a result.
For Hong Kyeongnae's uprising, first it takes place in the north, an impoverished area in which its inhabitants are exploited. Though led by disatisfied nobles, it is viewed by many as a peasant revolt, and to be fair, alot of them took part. They gather under the banner of a supposed savior who will lead them to a more prosperous future and replace the corrupt Yi dynasty (Jung Kam Lok). With the rebellion's location, comparisons to a communist revolution could probably come up. That's why I said "North Korea related."
^Maybe I'm overthinking it.
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Post by jewel on Jun 13, 2016 23:13:44 GMT -5
I'm confused too regarding yangban. Isn't yangban same thing as the European aristocrats? If so, financial status has nothing to do with if you're a yangban or a commoner. A yangban can be dirt poor but will still be yangban and a commoner can be very wealthy and will still be a commoner. This is unless the monarch bestows or takes away the title, of course.
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Post by truth on Jun 14, 2016 17:00:29 GMT -5
I wonder why the author says Hong's fallen yangban background was questionable? Also, it said the story goes that his uncle handled his education, and that he took the civil service exam, but failed it. I read that yangban who are unable to get a government post within four generations lose their status. Is that what happened with him? For Hong Kyeongnae's uprising, first it takes place in the north, an impoverished area in which its inhabitants are exploited. Though led by disatisfied nobles, it is viewed by many as a peasant revolt, and to be fair, alot of them took part. They gather under the banner of a supposed savior who will lead them to a more prosperous future and replace the corrupt Yi dynasty (Jung Kam Lok). With the rebellion's location, comparisons to a communist revolution could probably come up. That's why I said "North Korea related." ^Maybe I'm overthinking it. I've never heard about Hong's fallen yangban background being questionable nor about him losing his yangban status. Yeah, I think you're overthinking. Jeong Dojeon's ideas were pretty communist if you compare it to today's ideologies and yet they still made a drama about him leading a coup against Goryeo and its noble class. He continuously mentions that he's for the people over and over. I'm confused too regarding yangban. Isn't yangban same thing as the European aristocrats? If so, financial status has nothing to do with if you're a yangban or a commoner. A yangban can be dirt poor but will still be yangban and a commoner can be very wealthy and will still be a commoner. This is unless the monarch bestows or takes away the title, of course. Yes, you're completely right.
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