Choko
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Post by Choko on Jul 14, 2005 6:21:06 GMT -5
Frankly speaking, ep. 89~90 were the best episode ever, in spite of some violent scenes. All the clues hidden in the entire series were combined like a puzzle. It was amazing. I felt a kind of "catharsis" when I saw the scene where Won Kyun was crying at the end of ep. 90. He seems to be Macbeth or King Oedipus.... or Salieri in "Amadeus"
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Post by TheBo on Jul 14, 2005 13:22:19 GMT -5
I have a couple of points here.
1) skinz! PU-LEAZE start putting the episode numbers in your title lines! I'm kinda tired of picking up after people on that score. (I don't know if it's you in particular, but I seem to have to do that an awful lot.) Then, no one can accuse you of "spoiling"--okay?
2) Why is everyone getting all worked up over this "moot/meek point" person? He/she not only does not give us the courtesy of telling us who she/he is (hmm...I'll say, "they"), they do not appear to be reading over their own posts to make sure they make sense and do not contain a lot of repetitive junk. This is a discussion forum. Opinions on any matter concerning Korean drama, as long as they are respectfully stated (including those of "moot point") are welcome. It's America--criticism and free discussion are our rights. KBS does not own our message board.
I, too, have cringed at some of the violence exhibited in this show. For instance, when YSS was having his bullet removed by Captain Chung, I did not need to see the knife go into the bloody wound more than once, thankyouverymuch. Overall, though, the show is beautifully filmed.
Bo
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Post by moot on Jul 14, 2005 19:50:03 GMT -5
dear moot point, Are you wondering why I'm watching this drama ? It's because I admire the historical personage and I like amazing actors and beautiful mise en scene. This drama appealed to my sensitive nerves despite of a few "violent" scenes and some historical distortions I personally couldn't digest. For example, I like Ep. 68. It's one of my favorite episodes even though I had a little bit hard time with Japanese soldiers on the Turtle Ship spikes. On the other hand, I don't have courage to view again Ep. 89. In some episodes, I needed my handkerchief in my hand for viewing some touching, emotive and tragic passages. I left my country long time ago and haven't seen a Korean drama during ten years. When I met this drama by chance, it was a revelation. I found again my motherland and study again Korean history. florel I understand your other reasons for enjoyment of the show. But Why would you subject yourself to seeing violence if you are a squeamish person to see such events? I know i would not tune into something i did not like watching.
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Post by moot on Jul 14, 2005 19:58:15 GMT -5
I have a couple of points here. I, too, have cringed at some of the violence exhibited in this show. For instance, when YSS was having his bullet removed by Captain Chung, I did not need to see the knife go into the bloody wound more than once, thankyouverymuch. Overall, though, the show is beautifully filmed. Bo You have no idea how much weight your and other members negative words carry over to kbs afiliated stations.... Already episode 62 was completely skipped over I did not get the chance to see the last portion of the battle,see won slice the enemy nor did i get to see constable won spanked or recovering in bed. Many scenes are obviously edited out now too. So Yes negativity does effect viewing the shows by other Yi soon shin fans.
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Post by florel unlogged on Jul 14, 2005 21:59:43 GMT -5
Frankly speaking, ep. 89~90 were the best episode ever, in spite of some violent scenes. All the clues hidden in the entire series were combined like a puzzle. It was amazing. I felt a kind of "catharsis" when I saw the scene where Won Kyun was crying at the end of ep. 90. He seems to be Macbeth or King Oedipus.... or Salieri in "Amadeus" Choko, I agree with you that Ep. 90 was one of the best and the greatest episodes. I like Commander Won.... NO!!!!! It's not Won Kyun (the historical personage I always detest) but Choe Jae-Sung I like. ;D The young boy du temps jadis become now a great actor. Oh...! About Ep. 89 there would be different opinions. The young spectators like BD's daughter should not see "that scenes". But actors are really good, though. Kudos to the actors !
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Post by TheBo on Jul 15, 2005 13:39:01 GMT -5
You have no idea how much weight your and other members negative words carry over to kbs afiliated stations.... Already episode 62 was completely skipped over I did not get the chance to see the last portion of the battle,see won slice the enemy nor did i get to see constable won spanked or recovering in bed. Many scenes are obviously edited out now too. So Yes negativity does effect viewing the shows by other Yi soon shin fans. Can you give me some proof of your assertion? Are you affiliated with KBS in some way? Even if it's true, it should not affect our conversation one whit. What, are we supposed to look around every corner for spies before we speak? I'm sorry you feel you missed portions of an episode--and I wonder how you know that--but the proper response is a complaint to the station, not shushing all of us. Bo
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 15, 2005 15:39:10 GMT -5
You have no idea how much weight your and other members negative words carry over to kbs afiliated stations.... Already episode 62 was completely skipped over I did not get the chance to see the last portion of the battle,see won slice the enemy nor did i get to see constable won spanked or recovering in bed. Many scenes are obviously edited out now too. So Yes negativity does effect viewing the shows by other Yi soon shin fans. I know I should stay on-topic (I did start this thread after all) but I need to address this statement and then move on. #1- Scenes are not being edited out because a couple of people concern of the extra violent scenes. Scenes are being edited out because of time constraint. Most of IYSS episodes are over an hour and some or 56 minutes. Certain scenes that are broadcast in NYC (where I view them) are edited out because there is only 50 to 52 minutes left to show after the nightly korean news. The editors probably cut the scenes you missed because they were unnecessary scenes. You knew Constable Won got spanked but there was no reason to waste time and show him recovering from the bed. The overall story is way more important than seeing Won try to get up from the beating he got. It have nothing to do with violence. Now if your a KBS employee and you know something I don't then post right ahead. #2- If KBS are solely concentrating on this message board on finding out what american viewers are interested in these dramas then they are badly making a mistake. There are tons of unknown fans out there and to only think that the people that posts on this board are the only fans that care about what they do is ridiculous. KBS and their affiliated stations are way more smarter than that. Now that I got that off my chest, Episode 90 was great. The guy who plays the son looks so like YSS. I'm telling you, the cast director needs an oscar for what he/she is doing. Great job. I have a couple of points here. 1) skinz! PU-LEAZE start putting the episode numbers in your title lines! I'm kinda tired of picking up after people on that score. (I don't know if it's you in particular, but I seem to have to do that an awful lot.) Then, no one can accuse you of "spoiling"--okay? Sorry Thebo. I tried to generalize the statement as much as I can but I guess the temptation was too strong to not reveal what I was talking about. I'll never do it again. From now on, I will stop viewing future episodes and commenting on them. I again apologize to everyone.
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Post by florel unlogged on Jul 15, 2005 17:03:12 GMT -5
florel I understand your other reasons for enjoyment of the show. But Why would you subject yourself to seeing violence if you are a squeamish person to see such events? I know i would not tune into something i did not like watching. That's why I saw that episode just with 56kb VOD instead of 300kb VOD. If I come to review the whole series with 700kb paid VOD, I assure you that I'll skip that episode. I don't want to spend my money for it. What I'm worrying is not just limited to the personal problem. There are also "social problem". Violence shown in the TV can have very negative influence on the society. Why are more violences on TV now than ten years ago ? (I haven't seen Korean TV during ten years, so I can easily catch changes and transformations.) Personally, I think it's nothing less than a pursuit of commercialism. If you are working for KBS, I invite to think more of this problem. I'll leave to enjoy my summer time where there is no TV and no internet. So you don't have to worry about hearing a complaint from my part.
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Post by moot on Jul 15, 2005 18:47:25 GMT -5
Can you give me some proof of your assertion? Are you affiliated with KBS in some way? Even if it's true, it should not affect our conversation one whit. What, are we supposed to look around every corner for spies before we speak? I'm sorry you feel you missed portions of an episode--and I wonder how you know that--but the proper response is a complaint to the station, not shushing all of us. Bo They really did cancel episode 62 and editted later episodes its not a feeling. Must you act so hostile tqwards me? I don't know how to prove that to you... we get kbs/kntvncc. Clearly your board is represented as your members were also on tv. I am not sure wether you want to promote korean broadcasting or destroy it? So much negativity in here,can not explain things without being jumped on.... #1- Scenes are not being edited out because a couple of people concern of the extra violent scenes. Scenes are being edited out because of time constraint. Most of IYSS episodes are over an hour and some or 56 minutes. Certain scenes that are broadcast in NYC (where I view them) are edited out because there is only 50 to 52 minutes left to show after the nightly korean news. The editors probably cut the scenes you missed because they were unnecessary scenes. You knew Constable Won got spanked but there was no reason to waste time and show him recovering from the bed. The overall story is way more important than seeing Won try to get up from the beating he got. It have nothing to do with violence. Now if your a KBS employee and you know something I don't then post right ahead. Yes your right that they do edit things to save time. But can you explain to me why they lopped off an entire episode? I saw episode 61 then 62 was skipped and then continued with number 63. "#2- If KBS are solely concentrating on this message board on finding out what american viewers are interested in these dramas then they are badly making a mistake. There are tons of unknown fans out there and to only think that the people that posts on this board are the only fans that care about what they do is ridiculous. " This i agree with too. But perhaps they are using you chicago as a small representative sampling source? That's why I saw that episode just with 56kb VOD instead of 300kb VOD. If I come to review the whole series with 700kb paid VOD, I assure you that I'll skip that episode. I don't want to spend my money for it. What I'm worrying is not just limited to the personal problem. There are also "social problem". Violence shown in the TV can have very negative influence on the society. Why are more violences on TV now than ten years ago ? (I haven't seen Korean TV during ten years, so I can easily catch changes and transformations.) Personally, I think it's nothing less than a pursuit of commercialism. If you are working for KBS, I invite to think more of this problem. Oh thats smart of you to watch the vods instead of on tv. You have more control over what you watch this way. Violence on tv may effect a small minority of some people but i think over all it is fine with everyone else. We must find out who is majority of viewing violence,then we can see who watches it. If it is children,then it is parents responsibility to watch over and protect them from such things. "I'll leave to enjoy my summer time where there is no TV and no internet. So you don't have to worry about hearing a complaint from my part." Now florel there is no reason to be like that....
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Post by TheBo on Jul 15, 2005 22:16:12 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice them skipping episode 62? If so, did anyone here have an explanation for that?
Skinz, I didn't say, don't watch ahead and then not post, I SAID, please note the episode number in your subject line.
Geez. So much negativity here. I wonder why moot bothers with us at all. [yes, I'm being sarcastic.]
Bo
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Post by moreshige unlogged on Jul 18, 2005 16:11:32 GMT -5
Hey, florel you're leaving? To Mr. Moot, there's many of us who's not from Chicago and some of us aren't American in the sense that many naive Koreans usually think (white and black americans). There's a few of us second generation English speaking 'jae mi gyo po's" or 'han guk gae-mi guk een' who love the drama. And there's the likes of florel who's a Korean from France and Choko whom I believe is directly posting from Korea on this board.
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Post by moot on Jul 18, 2005 20:03:29 GMT -5
To Mr. Moot, there's many of us who's not from Chicago and some of us aren't American in the sense that many naive Koreans usually think (white and black americans). There's a few of us second generation English speaking 'jae mi gyo po's" or 'han guk gae-mi guk een' who love the drama. And there's the likes of florel who's a Korean from France and Choko whom I believe is directly posting from Korea on this board. Thats understandable and sounds cool to me. Hope Florel is not leaving. Seems to be everyone in here is either overly sensitve, overly offended or rude at times. Please learn to lighten up everyone and enjoy the board.
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Post by chigirl68 on Jul 19, 2005 7:53:27 GMT -5
Well we did not skip ep. 62 in Chicago. It aired on 6/6. Moot where are you watching IYSS? American stations may consider editing episodes for content or to make an episode fit into a time slot. If a station chose to *drop* an episode the only one that can answer your question to why is the station programmers themselves. As for the violence, we are watching a show about war. I think so far (ep. 74 only in Chicago) has been moderate for such a violent topic. I cannot comment on ep. 89 yet. I don't think the thought is to glorify the bloodiness of war but to show how horrific war really is. That is why we see stressed in the series concern for the innocent lives lost. I don't think this concern and mourning for this innocence would be so effective if we were not exposed to this horror first. We also see the bravery of the citizens who rose up to defend their country as well. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 19, 2005 8:02:07 GMT -5
Seems to be everyone in here is either overly sensitve, overly offended or rude at times. Please learn to lighten up everyone and enjoy the board. Hey, that's the American way. ;D
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Post by TheBo on Jul 19, 2005 14:29:06 GMT -5
Well, thank you very much, moot. I'm sure we all feel much better now.
Don't worry, Florel is not "leaving," she's on vacation. It's common in Paris to take a month off when it is so very hot.
Bo
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