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Post by JPh on Jul 11, 2005 15:54:04 GMT -5
I've watched the Passion of Christ and this episode that you're talking about. And I think this episode is nowhere near the violence level of Passion of Christ.
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 11, 2005 15:57:03 GMT -5
Yeah its not THAT gruesome, but some people here that have viewed korean drama over the years will be shocked to see that scene because its not so common.
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 11, 2005 16:05:09 GMT -5
I also want to point out that I'm not saying to banned the show or banned the scene or whatever. I still like the show but its just something that I wanted to speak out about and have a discussion with those that have seen it.
P.S. I've been reading that KBS have been visiting these forums, so to any KBS staff members that read my statement, I'm the only one complaining about a scene. I don't want it to be my fault that someone saw this thread and think that everyone is going to react the same way and start editing stuff out.
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Post by FrederickII on Jul 11, 2005 16:43:42 GMT -5
I know, but I am saying that you have been warned. You could simply turn the TV off if you’re offended. The director owes you nothing.
Well, this is drama, it's supposed to be dramatic. It may be unnecessary in some circumstances. I have seen actual footage on TV of people being shot through the head more than once, just watch the history channel or the news, hell watch the movie Last Emperor and it shows some film reels from WW2.
Sometimes seeing things like that give you as whole new perspective. You can read about something, but it is entirely different to see it even if it is excessive at times. Though I admit, it is quite scarry to see such things and I do wish America was not so obsessed with violence. Though I think some violence should be shown in its historic context.
Yes he knew what he wanted to do. Did you see AOW where Park Jin Jae has his foot cut off? or the countless torture scenes on AOW? things like that happened often back then and that's the point. they aren’t going to hand you the watered down version.
I didn’t see Passion of the Christ so I cant speak to that. But as I said earlier, reading about Jesus' last 12 hours and seeing an approximation of it has a different effect on people.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 11, 2005 18:42:53 GMT -5
There's a difference between showing violence and unnecessary violence. For example, watching a holocaust footage on the history channel or whatever show enough violence to tell the horrific story about that event. Now imagine if the footage showed the bullets being fired and a close up on the bullets tearing the flesh of human beings or having a camera inside the furnaces and seeing minute by minute the burning bodies. That's what I'm talking about unnecessary violence. The director knew exactly what he wanted to do in that scene and that's where I have the problem. He purposely shot unnecessary shots ie: the puddle of blood, the upside down hanging, the close-ups of the cuts,etc. just to increase something that could've been done better IMO. I will give the editors credit for not showing it for a full run and instead put other scenes in between it. When the episode airs in the states people are probably going to just brush it off and say its passion of the christ over again, but I just wanted to add my feelings on the matter. My sentiments exactly.
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Post by Meek point on Jul 11, 2005 20:24:34 GMT -5
Honestly i think people in here, who complain about violence in Yi soon shin,really should not watch it anymore. Let people who enjoy and view the show in those scenes in peace. it it is their right to view such things if they want. It is your right to control what you see on your own tv. But your complaints over excessive violence should not reflect on everyones viewing pleasure.
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Post by skinz on Jul 12, 2005 10:55:47 GMT -5
Honestly i think people in here, who complain about violence in Yi soon shin,really should not watch it anymore. Let people who enjoy and view the show in those scenes in peace. it it is their right to view such things if they want. It is your right to control what you see on your own tv. But your complaints over excessive violence should not reflect on everyones viewing pleasure. Um... exactly how am I disturbing people from enjoying the drama series? Please explain. Having a different opinion on things shown on the show is making people enjoyment of the show diminish? I don't understand.
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Post by mikey on Jul 12, 2005 11:07:20 GMT -5
Honestly i think people in here, who complain about violence in Yi soon shin,really should not watch it anymore. Let people who enjoy and view the show in those scenes in peace. it it is their right to view such things if they want. It is your right to control what you see on your own tv. But your complaints over excessive violence should not reflect on everyones viewing pleasure. Well, that was a helpful post. My apologies. I guess that some of us old-timers around here weren’t aware that this is now the “IYSS Cheerleading Board.” Thank you Meek point, for the clarification. I’m confident that people like skinz and myself will do our best to only think “Happy Thoughts” about the show from now on.
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Post by Moot point on Jul 12, 2005 18:07:06 GMT -5
Um... exactly how am I disturbing people from enjoying the drama series? Please explain. Having a different opinion on things shown on the show is making people enjoyment of the show diminish? I don't understand. No difference of opinion is fine. What urks some people is the excessive complaining people do over the stupidest of things. Sample would be the complaining of "excessive" violence in a historical korean drama,known to be filled with violence. See my point? I think it is ok to complain but maybe the negative things should be kept in a blog rather than on a public board? Also you already stated that KBS looks in here. So wouldn't it be unerving to discover mostly complaints of violence in Yi soon shin from board members that are suppose to represent korean fans of chicago? Just think things should be kept to a positive note. I enjoy this show, Don't you? Well, that was a helpful post. My apologies. I guess that some of us old-timers around here weren’t aware that this is now the “IYSS Cheerleading Board.” Thank you Meek point, for the clarification. I’m confident that people like skinz and myself will do our best to only think “Happy Thoughts” about the show from now on. Its ok Mikey and thanks for understanding. I think constructive criticism is ok for Yi-soon shin series discussions. but complaining about obvious things in the series,does not seem to fit well on public boards. IMO
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Post by mikey on Jul 12, 2005 20:36:35 GMT -5
Its ok Mikey and thanks for understanding. Actually, my comments were intended to be sarcastic (I guess I really need to work on this). But, be that as it may, what on earth is the point of a discussion board if we’re forbidden from discussing the (admittedly) controversial aspects of the shows that we’re watching? I’ve always praised KBS to the heavens when I think they’ve done well, but I’ve also never hesitated to razz them when I think they've messed up. And, I think I also speak for skinz when I emphasize that this is CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM coming from a couple of true-blue Korean drama fans. Heck, since I moved to Arizona, I’ve had to pay $28 monthly just to watch my two favorite K-dramas (IYSS, and “Emperor of the Sea”) on The Asia Network. If I wasn’t really passionate about KBS’s dramas, I sure as heck wouldn’t be shelling out hundreds of dollars a year just to watch a couple of TV shows (actually, I’m also watching “My Sweetheart” - but that’s a show I could live without, if I had to). Suggesting that KBS will pull their broadcasts from America just because of some griping by a couple of Chicago fans seems almost unimaginable, given that a whole lot of Korean fans have been pretty loudly complaining about IYSS, too (primarily - and perhaps fairly - for its historical inaccuracies). And, I think that the criticism some of us have leveled at IYSS has been pretty tepid, compared to the thrashing KBS got elsewhere on this board for their lackluster daily drama “My Precious Child” (branded by galacticchick as the “Worst Drama EVER” - and I can’t say that I disagree with her. Towards the end, that show was practically unwatchable). As for IYSS’s more violent scenes, nobody here is telling KBS what to do. But would we really be doing the management of KBS any favors by deliberately deceiving them about the concerns of some of their most loyal American fans?
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 13, 2005 15:45:50 GMT -5
Excessive complaining? I make one opinion on a certain scene and its excessive complaining? I didn't know that one complain was one too many. I'll make sure never to complain about ANYTHING in the series again.
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Post by florel on Jul 13, 2005 17:39:37 GMT -5
Ouuf... dabtes turned to be too emotional ! Please calm down, guys. Some of you should understand there are people and cultures that cannot endure violence on screen (not only on TV but also in movie theatre). I'm thankful to Skinz for warning it ahead. I viewed "that episode" only with 56kb VOD, because I know I cannot endure violences on screen. Even I didn't have spoiler information warned by newspaper like Korean viewers. I'm sure that I couldn't have seen that episode on a big screen. (I didn't view "The Passion of the Christ" of Mel Gibson. Instead, I viewed "The Life of Brian" of Monty Python. ) The Korean movie "Tae-Geuk-Ki" entered in Parisian theatre two or three months ago. But I didn't see it because many French critics reproached violences excessives shown in this movie. Even "Musa" and "Tell me something" were too violent for me. I had to cover my eyes when blood spread and mutilated bodied flow off on the screen. A few years ago, there was a scandalous series of murders committed by French teenagers. It was shocking because they imitated an American movie "Scream(?)". (I didn't view it, of course.) For a while, French mass-medias blamed excessively violent American movies a haute voix. How much degree of violences can be tolerated on screen ? Is artistic license more important than social concerns ? We should deeply reflect on it.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 13, 2005 22:24:32 GMT -5
Ouuf... dabtes turned to be too emotional ! Please calm down, guys. Some of you should understand there are people and cultures that cannot endure violence on screen (not only on TV but also in movie theatre). I'm thankful to Skinz for warning it ahead. I had to cover my eyes when blood spread and mutilated bodied flow off on the screen. How much degree of violences can be tolerated on screen ? Is artistic license more important than social concerns ? We should deeply reflect on it. Florel has spoken for me as well. Although it may sound strange to many here,I cannot watch alot of stuff that others do and I appreciated the heads up from Skinz. My 12 year old has been watching YSS as part of her homeschooling curriculum and thanks to Skinz comments, I was prepared. I simply had my kid leave the room until the scene was over because I don't want her to see something like that. It may sound excessive to some but I know if I have to look away,my daughter would also be bothered by it. I'm not saying this to take away from anyone else's choice or to diminish anyone else's viewing pleasure. As anyone can see, I haven't been on this board very long and I greatly appreciate the comments of "vets" like Skinz and Florel. We are blessed to have quality,knowledgeable people who post regularly. A hallmark of this board is the civility and friendliness displayed. Spirited discussion, yes. But always civility. Let's disagree in peace.
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Post by moot point on Jul 14, 2005 0:00:03 GMT -5
Actually, my comments were intended to be sarcastic (I guess I really need to work on this). But, be that as it may, what on earth is the point of a discussion board if we’re forbidden from discussing the (admittedly) controversial aspects of the shows that we’re watching? As for IYSS’s more violent scenes, nobody here is telling KBS what to do. But would we really be doing the management of KBS any favors by deliberately deceiving them about the concerns of some of their most loyal American fans? hmm there is a difference between discussing things and out right complaining about the violence in this show. From the past page as well as this one,it is filled with mostly negative things. Your not exactly telling KBS to pull programming. But you are saying to them that you expect a none violent show from a historical drama that has it. Kbs is looking for a niche market in the US. So it comes here sometimes and uses your comments as guide to what American viewers are interested in. Excessive complaining? I make one opinion on a certain scene and its excessive complaining? I didn't know that one complain was one too many. I'll make sure never to complain about ANYTHING in the series again. Um that was actually a general response to your question. It was not directly aimed at you. Some of you should understand there are people and cultures that cannot endure violence on screen (not only on TV but also in movie theatre). Sure i agree with you florel. But then again,it makes me wonder why these sensitive people are watching such a show like Yi Soon Shin? To me the show is not violent or action pact enough. In general american tv is too clean and pristine of violence. It is refreshing to watch a new korean show like Yi soon shin. Actually, my comments were intended to be sarcastic (I guess I really need to work on this). But, be that as it may, what on earth is the point of a discussion board if we’re forbidden from discussing the (admittedly) controversial aspects of the shows that we’re watching? As for IYSS’s more violent scenes, nobody here is telling KBS what to do. But would we really be doing the management of KBS any favors by deliberately deceiving them about the concerns of some of their most loyal American fans? hmm there is a difference between discussing things and out right complaining about the violence in this show. From the past page as well as this one,it is filled with mostly negative things. Your not exactly telling KBS to pull programming. But you are saying to them that you expect a none violent show from a historical drama that has it. Kbs is looking for a niche market in the US. So it comes here sometimes and uses your comments as guide to what American viewers are interested in. Excessive complaining? I make one opinion on a certain scene and its excessive complaining? I didn't know that one complain was one too many. I'll make sure never to complain about ANYTHING in the series again. Um that was actually a general response to your question. It was not directly aimed at you. Some of you should understand there are people and cultures that cannot endure violence on screen (not only on TV but also in movie theatre). Sure i agree with you florel. But then again,it makes me wonder why these sensitive people are watching such a show like Yi Soon Shin? To me the show is not violent or action pact enough. In general american tv is too clean and pristine of violence. It is refreshing to watch a new korean show like Yi soon shin.
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Post by florel on Jul 14, 2005 5:21:46 GMT -5
dear moot point,
It's natural to see 100 persons with 100 different reactions.
I think everyone have their proper different causes of viewing this drama.
Are you wondering why I'm watching this drama ?
It's because I admire the historical personage and I like amazing actors and beautiful mise en scene. This drama appealed to my sensitive nerves despite of a few "violent" scenes and some historical distortions I personally couldn't digest.
For example, I like Ep. 68. It's one of my favorite episodes even though I had a little bit hard time with Japanese soldiers on the Turtle Ship spikes. On the other hand, I don't have courage to view again Ep. 89.
In some episodes, I needed my handkerchief in my hand for viewing some touching, emotive and tragic passages.
I left my country long time ago and haven't seen a Korean drama during ten years. When I met this drama by chance, it was a revelation. I found again my motherland and study again Korean history.
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