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Post by Lovely on Jan 25, 2005 13:03:36 GMT -5
I missed the first few minutes of yesterday's episode (01/24)...I forgot the episode number...sorry. What I got out of it was that Grandma was infertile and that her husband was always spending his time at the Men's Quarters. Grandma was treated horribly by her in-laws and husband. One day, a new woman joined the household as Wife #2 of her husband? She was very beautiful and to make matters worse, she was pregnant very soon and was doted on by the whole family. Grandma felt like an outcast and got into a fight with the second wife aka Red Fox aka Slut and her husband and in-laws beat her up for that. Grandma prayed that the Red Fox would get what she deserves for being so cruel to her. Wife #2 had a son and died a short while later. That son was Min-sup and Grandma raised him and treasured him as her own. Did I miss anything else from this part?
No wonder Grandma yelled at Jee-hae, calling her Red Fox. Jee-hae's real grandmother was the Red Fox herself. They must have looked alike.
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Post by TheBo on Jan 25, 2005 13:27:24 GMT -5
No wonder Grandma yelled at Jee-hae, calling her Red Fox. Jee-hae's real grandmother was the Red Fox herself. They must have looked alike. How odd. Didn't Hee-soo say her nickname in school was "Rainbow Fox"? How many foxes are there, that are not Amedican FOC-ses? Bo |
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Post by BAE on Jan 25, 2005 18:33:30 GMT -5
My friend is korean and said that older people usually give you with the name fox when they know you're sly and pretty. it's like code for boy-getter. it's wolf for males. or at least she said that it was like so in her family. in china i know during the revolutionary period, the females had names that related to getting boys. (Read the book Red Azalea: The first part of the book is all about the importance of names.) ps: does eun-soo know jung-hee's secret or did they show this whole accident thing as a flashback?
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Post by TheBo on Jan 26, 2005 14:22:23 GMT -5
... ps: does eun-soo know jung-hee's secret or did they show this whole accident thing as a flashback? I was just joking about the foxes, Bae. But your info is very interesting.  I was wondering the same thing about Eun-soo. (I don't remember a flashback.) Also, does his mother tell him when Jung-hee says that creepy stuff, like, that she'll kill him and commit suicide? It's weird to me. Mom was worried when she first heard the "secret," but she still seems to be driving them to marriage, h-e-double hockeysticks or high water. Bo |
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Post by panther on Jan 26, 2005 17:39:49 GMT -5
i think i remember at one point junghee tellin eun-soo about her accident and why she was so attached to jiwoong.
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Post by toranaga on Jan 26, 2005 20:35:53 GMT -5
EUNSOO'S mom hates younglan so much that she rushed this marriage to jung-hee,just to keep them from reconciling.younglan is right about not knowing enough about jung-hee and her shadowy family.
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Post by BAE on Jan 26, 2005 23:58:22 GMT -5
i think that eun-soo's mom was the one that pushed young-lan far enough to say certain "assertive" comments. i mean, eun-soo should've taken a stand back then: his mother or his wife. if he expects both to live in harmony, then he needs to concentrate on his work and not be distracted. he needs to take charge as the man of the family. i know that young-lan wouldn't say so many hurtful and cold things to eun-soo if she actually didn't know him and his full potential. she loves him... and he will always. he knows she is so right!  |
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Post by sandy on Jan 27, 2005 1:14:38 GMT -5
I think Eun-Soo needs to "grow up" and stop writing novels and living with his parents while he has a son and has a new love in his life. Young-lan is ambitious, but Eun-Soo is not. The real problem he faces is that he will have to become responsible and independent if he chooses to return to Young-lan which she demands. If Eun-Soo marries Jung-Hee, he'll have a new wife dependent on him, but also a "stay at home son" who will still be dependent on his parents for support.
It seems that Eun-Soo likes the support of his parents, the love of Jung-Hee, but almost fears the demands that Young-lan will place on him.
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Post by TheBo on Jan 27, 2005 11:12:19 GMT -5
Hey, I noticed Young-lan on another (nonsubtitled) soap (that is over now, but this morning I was watching the final ep)--"Terms of Endearment"--she played one of the hosts of a talk show. She kind of looks like someone on a morning show, doesn't she.
Bo
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Post by sandy on Jan 28, 2005 0:55:44 GMT -5
In a way, I see the clash between generations. Eun-Soo's mother just can't accept the fact that Young-lan is a "feminist", an educated woman who doesn't want to become a servant to her husband's family. While reading Eun-Soo's novel, she told her ex MIL that she and a husband were considered as equal. This is something acceptable in America, but not in other countries.
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Post by galacticchick on Jan 28, 2005 10:13:47 GMT -5
While reading Eun-Soo's novel, she told her ex MIL that she and a husband were considered as equal. This is something acceptable in America, but not in other countries. That's a pretty blanket statement, which I'm not sure is all that correct. Lots of other cultures gave women more rights than U.S. women in the early part of last century had. Such as right to own property, land, manage their own money etc. |
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Post by Lovely on Jan 28, 2005 17:07:20 GMT -5
Hey, I noticed Young-lan on another (nonsubtitled) soap (that is over now, but this morning I was watching the final ep)--"Terms of Endearment"--she played one of the hosts of a talk show. She kind of looks like someone on a morning show, doesn't she. Bo I saw "Terms of Endearment"...good drama. Even though it wasn't subtitled, I read about the show on websites and could understand what was going on. |
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Post by TheBo on Jan 31, 2005 12:42:43 GMT -5
I saw "Terms of Endearment"...good drama. Even though it wasn't subtitled, I read about the show on websites and could understand what was going on. Oh, oh! Please tell me what happened in the end, I did not tape it correctly. The last thing I saw was, the eldest sister was being interviewed on a talk show (did she write a book?) which inflamed her MIL. Sister sees the youngest sister's ex at the TV station and runs to talk with him, but is unable to tell him anything about her sister because she's hesitant--sister's voice in head saying don't tell him, etc.--and she is rushed away by that guy she hangs with. Then middle sister comes to visit mother (who vocally abuses them) with husband; they have kids hanging all over them, of various ages, so presumably, many years have passed since youngest sister's husband went to States, and I believe youngest sister was pregnant at that time. So, I really just want to know the end of youngest sister and ex-husband's story. Does he find out about the kid? Do they reconcile? Oh, please, please, tell a gal. Bo |
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Post by Enia on Feb 1, 2005 3:07:09 GMT -5
Bo,
A span of 3 years separated Eun-pa & Jung-soo. In the last episode, their paths crossed a few times. He visits her parents home, where her sister gives him EP's address. He finds her in a churchyard surrounded by children. They meet, have a brief conversation & say goobye. As he walks away, a little girl runs to EP, calling her Mom. He turns around & the little girl runs to him. Episode ends with JS holding the little girl & smiling at EP. (Sob, sob.)
A very touching ending!
I thought this was a very good drama. Although I don't speak Korean, I found that I understood the basic story. In some respects, the lack of subtitles was an asset as I focused more on facial expressions, body language & vocal inflections.
Bo, if you need more details let me know.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 1, 2005 10:48:18 GMT -5
Enia, thank you so much! I hoped something like that would happen. I don't know why I was so fascinated by this, I only watched about 10 episodes and didn't really get a grip on much except that Jung-soo's mom was a total batch (and strangely powerful in her own home), JS and EP were deeply in love but unable to stay together and EP's sister was in a bad marriage. I didn't even know what the heck everyone was so upset about until I read KBC's synopsis, which shocked me. They all condemned the girl because she was taken in by a creep when she was in college? Jeez. Tough room.
Again, I thank you, Enia. Your grace is immeasurable and all that.
Bo
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