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Post by TheIceTiger on Apr 9, 2004 23:47:52 GMT -5
I remember the esp after yi ui bang died. His brother was force to leave the city with his wife to perserve the blood line of the yi clan. They said something about his children would return two generation later and become some high minster or something. Did i remember it right? If yes, exactly when did they return and did they have any major impact on the imperial house?
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Post by Chung Kyun on Apr 10, 2004 0:09:57 GMT -5
hey we should bring back the Yi clan.lol
what they said was his sons or grandsons,great grandsons, will help bring down the koryo dynasty and help bring the choson dynasty.ah i forgot lol.but something thing like that.
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Post by Knov1 on Apr 10, 2004 2:54:29 GMT -5
Did i remember it right? If yes, exactly when did they return and did they have any major impact on the imperial house? The Yi clan are the ones that brought down Koryo and founded Chosun. Yi Song Gye, who's a direct descendant of Yi Ui Bang's brother Lin, is the founder of Chosun. Did you watch the historical drama 'Tears of the Dragon'? This drama mostly dealt with Yi Bang Won (King Taejong), who was Yi Song Gye's son and the 3rd King of Chosun, but it also dealt with Yi Song Gye and King Sejong (who was Yi Bang Won's son and 4th King of Chosun) who's one of the greatest rulers in Korean history and is as higly regarded as Wang Guhn.
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Post by TheIceTiger on Apr 10, 2004 18:42:43 GMT -5
didn't watched "Tears of the Dragon". wow thx for the info. Can't believe the yi clan brought down Koryo. I guess that leadership thing does runs in the family.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Apr 10, 2004 19:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by TheIceTiger on Apr 10, 2004 23:33:10 GMT -5
woh it last from 1392 to 1910. Dang thats a long long dynasty. Yi ui bang must be real proud if he had known the yi clan would become this big.
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Post by archfiend 4 life on Apr 11, 2004 1:38:30 GMT -5
wait! I THOUGHT that choi choong brought down koryo,
but hey..if it wuz a Yi descendant...im so happy!
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Post by Eowyn on Apr 11, 2004 9:38:50 GMT -5
Chung Kyun, you always find such interesting things to share with us. Thanks!
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Post by CaptainPark on Apr 11, 2004 12:40:43 GMT -5
Wow... that site was great! I ended up reading all the way from Koryo to the modern period. The funny thing is, the modern period in the South sounds a lot like Koryo - political upheaval, military overthrows, and assassinations. I wonder if the show's creators chose this specific period based on its modern-day parallels?
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Post by Chung Kyun on Apr 11, 2004 13:06:06 GMT -5
Chung Kyun, you always find such interesting things to share with us. Thanks! no problem! what i don't like about this website is the bright red.it blocks a little bit of the page. www.4dw.net/royalark/Korea/korea.htm
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Post by kemamusa on Apr 11, 2004 21:02:44 GMT -5
This is how Yi Uibang's descendant Yi Sungye brought down Koryo and founded Joseon. In 1392, Yi Sungye was ordered by the emperor to invade Ming China to take the whole of manchuria and territories east of Beijing. Koryo considered itself a reincarnation of Koguryo(of three kingdoms era), so Koryo tried to take back what was once Koguryo's territories lost to China. In 1392, Ming China was in great turmoil because it just got indepence from the Mongols, so it was better time than any other.. However, general Yi Sungye was more ambitious than the emperor thought.. He didn't want mere praise for taking back lost territories. He wanted something more; the throne of Koryo. On the expedition, Yi sungye turned around his forces at the border and attacked the capital of Koryo instead of China, and at this moment, one of the most important decisions ever in Korean history was made.. Yi Sungye renamed the country to Joseon and declared the new law based on neo-confucian ideals... And pledged loyalty to China!!! By doing this, Yi Sungye single-handedly made Joseon a sub-kingdom of China.. From an Empire that was going to invade China to a mere sub-kingdom of China because of one person's ambition.
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Post by TheIceTiger on Apr 11, 2004 23:19:08 GMT -5
Your saying it as if it was a bad thing
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Post by kemamusa on Apr 12, 2004 3:05:20 GMT -5
well.. It depends on the point of view i guess.. From Yi clan's point view, it was the best thing ever happened to them, however, from the perspective of a person who loves Korean history(like me ), it was a bad bad thing.. Because of Yi Sungye's high regard for neo-confucian ideals and the idea of "Sadeh"(China is the big brother of Korea) several things happened. Most of them being negative. Under neo-confucian laws, only litrature, farming and filial piety were considered valuable. On the other hand anything practical were considered to be lowly, so professionals in science, economy, warfare, manufacturing and craftsmanship were all given second or third class status. Here are the details of what happened: 1. Under Yi clan's rule in Joseon, craftsmanship was looked down upon as lowly and useless. As a result, fine arts, intricate detailing of jewelry and many other crafts were discouraged and the quality went down greatly. Under Joseon, the line of Koryo, Beckjeh and Shila's incredible craftsmanship ended. 2. According to the neo-confucian ideals, the practice of martial arts were discouraged and the warrior class was looked down upon. Well, that doesn't sound like a good idea when you got neighbours like China, Japan, Mongolia and Manchuria, does it? 3. According to the neo-confucian ideals, farming was regarded as the root of Korean economy. Because of this .. Despite the fact that almost half of the country's tax income was through commerce and trading, Joseon discouraged commerce and considered merchants as lowly. What a way to ruin your economy.. 4. Because of Sadeh(idea of China as big brother), Joseon effectively ended the official trade partnership with the rest of the world, therefore earning the nickname "Hermit Kingdom". Where as Koryo had trading relationship with China, Japan, India, Vietnam, Arabia, Persia and many other nations, Joseon only dealt with China and Japan. Why? China told Joseon to do so, and you do what your big brother tell you to do! 5. So why did China make Joseon to do that? Well... Korea always posed a threat to northern China, so it was important for China to break Korea's hands and knees when Yi Sungye volunteered to pledge loyalty to China. There were three ways to weaken Korea's strength and China did it all.. First, isolate Korea: less nations to trade with = little econmy. Second, request payments for "protection" = little economy. Third, request thousands of horses and restrict gun powders = little cavarly and weak infantry. These are a few of many negative changes that were made during the change over from Koryo to Joseon. I can't say that there weren't any good changes (like advances in litrature), but those are very minor compared to major negatives that were accumulated over time and ultimately caused Korea's downfall in the 20th century.
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Post by Eowyn on Apr 12, 2004 8:14:48 GMT -5
kemamusa, thanks for the great history write up!
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Post by skinz on Apr 12, 2004 9:11:10 GMT -5
So the quality of craftmanship went DOWN? Why is it that in every history write up, they always point out that korea experienced a great upgrade during the chosen dynasty. Make you question if these history books are accurate or not.
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