yugin
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MIN-JAE
Dec 15, 2003 15:02:06 GMT -5
Post by yugin on Dec 15, 2003 15:02:06 GMT -5
I am a bit late with this, but did anyone notice the sadness in Hyun-kyu's eyes when everyone asks where he got that fat lip from? I mean, there he was and he actually said "It was my fault." Does that mean that he actually can love his brother, but he just doesn't know how? I mean, he seems like a positively good person, but is just going about situations like these in the wrong way. Min-jae needs to control his feelings more. Sure, I will show some empathy, but why does he get so upset over this one girl? He is willing to move out because of her? I might just be me, but I think Min-jae is troubled.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 16, 2003 4:12:34 GMT -5
Post by Kazuya2000 on Dec 16, 2003 4:12:34 GMT -5
Hmmm I wouldn't say that Min-jae is troubled....I can see why he is fustrated. I mean this wasn't "just a girl" to Min-jae like he said she was a pillar to help him look at the bright side of things when he was in a rough sistuation. I just think that his step brother shouldn't have approached the woman that Min-jae had feeling for........they may seem like a good couple and all but I don't know I just feel that Min-jae's step bro's intention were WRONG!!
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MIN-JAE
Dec 16, 2003 11:45:50 GMT -5
Post by sasami on Dec 16, 2003 11:45:50 GMT -5
I think Min-jae feels like he just doesn't get anything his way and that his stepbrother seems to get all the breaks. It kind of makes me think of my relationship in my family where my brother got the attention and all the breaks but the reason that happened even was because my parents believed that I could take care of myself and was more responsible than my brother. Perhaps that is how his family feels since his stepbrother is a bit immature. They might not be aware they are being like that.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 16, 2003 12:52:24 GMT -5
Post by nsheldon on Dec 16, 2003 12:52:24 GMT -5
Hmmm, I suppose us parents DO have a tendancy to give more to the one that needs it. I have one that is more independent & I seem to not worry as much as I do the other one... The other one seems to make poor choices or seems to get herself in jams. I feel like I'm always trying to 'help' her more... I personally could not honestly say what I would do if I were Hyun kyu's father or Min jae's mother. That is really something I would have to think about. It's sure easy to judge what THEY should do but if I turn that into my own life & my own family I just don't know.... I do feel really bad for Min jae... I just would not want to be on the receiving end of his anger/hurt. He can certainly appear to be cold. But, how would I feel if I were him... I can see where Hyun kyu was loved more by grandma & that made it difficult for Min jae, being he was pretty much resented by her. Also, the mother always asked Min jae to 'give-in' just to keep peace in the family. But Min jae DID have the father (who tried to be a true father and who also appears to favor Min jae over Hyun kyu). Min jae also had his sister. So the entire family was NOT against him. He never had Hye ran's love. Only her affection as a sister to him. He made assumptions that caused him to be hurt. Maybe if he had been more open with her regarding his own feelings she could have let him know sooner that she could not return his love. Maybe they both were at fault re their feelings... But Hye ran seems to be genuinely fond of him & very upset that he thought there was more to the relationship....
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yugin
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MIN-JAE
Dec 16, 2003 15:03:00 GMT -5
Post by yugin on Dec 16, 2003 15:03:00 GMT -5
Very good point nsheldon. I think that if i was a parent, i would treat each child fairly, but when it comes dwon to it all, i would probably give aid to the one that needed it more ; whether it be intentional on unintentional. Speaking as a younger sister who is constantly in the shadow of my dear, sweet older sister, i know what min-jae might be going through. Except, he is older and he's a man; they tend to have more ego. So, he might feel that his YOUNGER brother is taking all that he has from him. So, that would make him vunerable to crazy acts like wanting to move out. In my family, my sister is the only thing that keeps me going. Even though I am always being compared to her by my dad and less favored because she always does whatever it is she is told. I am an independant person and sometimes i feel that my parents don't understand. i mena, she's 22 and we still get along fine. same w/hyun-kyu and min-jae. I think min-jae feels like he just can't take all the craziness he has to put up with in his family. but, would it mean hyun-kyu will come to like him? relationships aren't always black and white, there are a lot of grays too.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 16, 2003 16:26:23 GMT -5
Post by nsheldon on Dec 16, 2003 16:26:23 GMT -5
I think parents tend to 'expect' more from their male offspring. In most American families (not all), I believe parents want their daughters to MARRY someone successful, but expect their sons to BE successful. I'm sure in Korea it is similar. I assume there was an expectation for Hyun kyu & Min jae to succeed... However, the difference, I think, in their situation is that Min jae is doing all the work & it may be Hyun kyu that inherits the business since he is the biological son. I bet Min jae harbors a bit of resentment about that as well, considering all his hard work for his step father. I am going out on a limb but I bet that sweetie pie Hyun kyu ends up turning over the business to Min jae or at the very least, sharing the top spot with him... I truly believe Hyun kyu is good in heart & would not take that completely away from Min jae. Time will tell ... AND ... to Yugin... I expected more from the child that I knew would most likely succeed. I felt I had to give a bigger hand to the one I thought needed it. I was raised that way also... Most of the expectations & hopes/dreams went to a younger brother & sister. They were my step-father's children with my mother. I was in the first brood of children & not much was expected of us. Funny, I cared so dearly for them anyway... Never felt a twinge of jealousy..
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MIN-JAE
Dec 16, 2003 22:51:28 GMT -5
Post by galacticchick on Dec 16, 2003 22:51:28 GMT -5
I feel really bad for him. The way I understand it, by what the characters have said, was that his mother pretty much "put him aside" when she remarried. Always favoring HK and being degraded by that witch of his grandma. How much more is he supposed to sacrifice for the family? God, I'm surprised he's not suicidal. And when the father said, "I'd prefer not to think that our marriage made two boys unhappy." When that's exactly what you did. Worst kind of blind is the one who refuses to see.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 17, 2003 8:18:44 GMT -5
Post by nsheldon on Dec 17, 2003 8:18:44 GMT -5
Yes, Min jae had to ALWAYS sacrifice everything for the family. However, he is NOT sacrificing Hye ran. He never had her.. I know it looks as though this is the last straw for him & I know he is in pain. But he needs to be realistic about what he is in pain about. It's about all the years of him having to be the one to give in. He is NOT giving in on Hye ran because he never had her. She told him she thinks of him as a brother only. So now he is pouting & refusing to accept Hye ran & Hyun kyu which is making the situation impossible for them. If that is his 'pay-back' then, yes... He is finally getting back at the family.... The thing is, he would not have won this round no matter what. So why make everyone miserable. He SAYS he could have accepted Hye ran rejecting him for anyone else but Hyun kyu? But he cannot accept it with Hyun kyu? That is pretty childish in my eyes.. Can't wait for this fella to open his eyes & see Yu jin. She's definitely the better catch anyway.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 19, 2003 10:02:38 GMT -5
Post by NiNi on Dec 19, 2003 10:02:38 GMT -5
If not accepting hyun-Kyu with Hye-Ran is Min-jae's way of getting revenge, I say let him go for it. ;D He may not have had Hye-Ran, but she sure didn't clarify things up enough with him. And after years of having to give into Hyun-Kyu he's finally putting his foot down. I really don't see how he is causing a problem anyway. He's not a mother, father, or grandmother so he really has no say in what happens. But if there really is a problem, then I say let him have just this one victory over Hyun-Kyu. He deserves it.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 19, 2003 10:28:33 GMT -5
Post by nsheldon on Dec 19, 2003 10:28:33 GMT -5
I'm not a big Hye ran fan but she is truly the innocent here. She had no clue that Min jae was in love with her. She thought they were close like brother/sister. She did tell him that she didn't think of him as a 'man' that way. She told him as soon as he proposed to her. He should just be angry with Hyun kyu, who he does have a legitimate beef with... Oh, and maybe even his mother for sacrificing his happiness for her own (though I do like the mother)... Aside from all the issues relating to this group, I have to say that (even if Hye ran & Hyun kyu break up for good) I would not like the pairing of Min jae with Hye ran. I like him w/Yu jin & hope these two get together...
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MIN-JAE
Dec 19, 2003 15:02:42 GMT -5
Post by Jessica on Dec 19, 2003 15:02:42 GMT -5
Hye-ran isn't totally innocent. I mean, she knows they are brothers yet she keeps meeting MMin-jae and how do youy think that would make Hyun-kyu feel. And just because Min-jae said that hyun-kyu used her, doesn't mean he did. she should know that! Why does she act all INNOCENT when she's not? Now yu-gin is wise for not acting up and asking her father for advice about what she should do. I can't believe that Hye-ran acts like she is one that has been victimized.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 19, 2003 15:13:28 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Dec 19, 2003 15:13:28 GMT -5
Good point, Jessica! It seems to me that people in these dramas take everything SO seriously--all the little setbacks and disappointments of romance. I think it might have to do with what I deduce is a traditional expectation that young people will not have a lot of romantic experience before they get married. Since they're really inexperienced, it seems the first time they give their heart to someone, they and everyone else expect it to be the last time, too. So if their love is thwarted or they have reason to feel used, it is a very big deal to them.
I don't know much about Korea, but it's possible that women are supposed to be rather passive in affairs of the heart, and so Hye-ran really doesn't have many options to vent her feelings. Hence this is really frustrating for her.
Then again, maybe the writers are just trying to draw out this conflict longer than it should be.
Having said all this, I, as an American, am getting sick of her acting heartsick when all she and Hyun-kyu did was hang out a couple of times and he only "stole" one little kiss from her!
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cheZa
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MIN-JAE
Dec 19, 2003 23:59:35 GMT -5
Post by cheZa on Dec 19, 2003 23:59:35 GMT -5
Why does it seem like so many people are wanting to see Min-jae and Yu-gin get together Does anyone remeber why he doesn't want to be with her as anything more then a friend? ? doesn't anyone remember a few episodes back when Min -jae jogged with her and talk about how BAD she treated and looked down on him when they were younger. How many people missed that episode
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MIN-JAE
Dec 20, 2003 8:51:49 GMT -5
Post by Soju on Dec 20, 2003 8:51:49 GMT -5
Of course we remember. It just sets things up to show how much work it will take for Yu-jin to win over Min-jae. It looks like she is about to start her campaign, after her father told her to follow her heart, since she is arranging to meet Hye-ran.
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MIN-JAE
Dec 20, 2003 10:47:17 GMT -5
Post by mikey on Dec 20, 2003 10:47:17 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that Min-jae can sure hold a grudge! Yu-jin has clearly turned herself around and become a first-class woman, but even so Min-jae still wants absolutely *nothing* to do with her romantically.
Considering that, can you imagine how much effort it would take Hyun-kyu (who is, quite unlike Yu-jin, is still pretty much a flake) to get Min-jae to think of him his real brother?
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