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Post by ajk on Dec 11, 2021 21:34:47 GMT -5
...should be up on Kocowa within 24 hours.
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Post by sageuk on Dec 11, 2021 21:58:41 GMT -5
I forgot that Korean television does two episodes a week.
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Post by ajk on Dec 17, 2021 5:56:35 GMT -5
Lady Kang steps up! That was a fun opening...you never see the women do that so it was a great surprise. Good for her. If you saw the capital invasion scene in Jeong Dojeon, what we got here was a drop in the bucket. Fair enough, this series is about Bangwon and he’s not a player in this part of the story, but it you couldn’t help be a little disappointed. ■ AD 1388 was the 14th year of reign by King Woo of Goryeo. Lee Seong Gye returned his army from Wihwado and captured Gaegyeong. The fate of Goryeo fluctuated. The family of Lee Seong Gye, as leaders of the turbulent shift, took their first step into the turbulent times. Lee Jiran is eating a dog...okay maybe it’s historically accurate but it would have been better to avoid that whole subject entirely. And then it turns out it’s an old man’s pet? And this is shown with whimsical music like it’s supposed to be funny? Really, the writers and producers all agreed on this? Yeah my reaction exactly. UGH. The guy playing Jeong Mongju in this series looks more like the guy who played Jeong Dojeon in JD, and vice versa. This will take a little getting used to. “I will approve them before I leave.” Okay that was hilarious. The boss who stiffed Bangwon last time is only too willing to do his job now. Loved that. And it made a good point too. If we’re going to get some humor, more of this and less dog meat please. The scene of Choi Yeong being taken away to exile was terrific—just that moment of seeing so many of the commoners so deep in grief. And then Lee hearing the snide comments about the soup at the café. This is what I always harp on, how valuable these glimpses of the larger country can be. King Woo isn’t exactly a very convincing trash-talker, is he. And he and Bangwon (the civil servant wearing the silk robe) standing there snarling at each other, it’s hardly intimidating stuff. Which maybe was sort of the point, but still...seems to be a chronic problem in historicals. ■ It was in June 1388 by the lunar calendar. King Woo made a failed attempt to kill the generals who led the retreat. He was dethroned and sent to Ganghwado in exile. Then the nine-year-old son of King Woo was enthroned. He is King Chang, the 33rd king of Goryeo. It’s only two episodes but they seem to be trying awfully hard to set up big cliffhangers. Hope that doesn’t become a habit. But that aside, I felt a lot better about this episode than the first one. There’s some potential for an interesting series that does tell a different story about Bangwon than we’ve gotten before. It seems like they’re trying to make it more of a character drama, giving us a deeper portrayal of him and getting into his mind more fully. And the brothers could become an interesting group; already we’re getting more of their invididual personalities than we’ve gotten in other series. I wasn’t too optimistic after the first episode (partly because I hated the opening scene so much) but this one gives more hope.
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Post by truth on Dec 17, 2021 11:28:21 GMT -5
The guy playing Jeong Mongju in this series looks more like the guy who played Jeong Dojeon in JD, and vice versa. This will take a little getting used to. The guy playing Jeong Dojeon played Ha Ryun in Jeong Dojeon, so I just can't help thinking this is Ha Ryun that I'm seeing, not Jeong Dojeon lol. He smiles like he did as Ha Ryun as well. The scene of Choi Yeong being taken away to exile was terrific—just that moment of seeing so many of the commoners so deep in grief. And then Lee hearing the snide comments about the soup at the café. This is what I always harp on, how valuable these glimpses of the larger country can be. You can see the character difference from Kim Youngcheol's Lee Seonggye vs Yu Donggeun's Lee Seonggye in this scene. In Jeong Dojeon, Lee Seonggye is shown to be very sad about exiling Choi Young as he admires and respects him so much. He is also sad when he discovers that there is a soup named after him to mock him. In this drama, he exiles Choi Young like it's nothing and shrugs off the soup name he heard like it's nothing. Very fitting for Kim Youngcheol who often plays cold-blooded characters(ex. Goong-ye). There's a small error in the exile scene though. A cow is shown to be taking Choi Young inside a cage, but convicts of high nobility status like Choi Young were actually exiled to their location on horses like how King Woo was shown to be exiled on this show. It isn't just this drama's error, however. Choi Young and Lee In Yim were taken to exile by a cow in 2014's Jeong Dojeon as well. King Woo isn’t exactly a very convincing trash-talker, is he. And he and Bangwon (the civil servant wearing the silk robe) standing there snarling at each other, it’s hardly intimidating stuff. Which maybe was sort of the point, but still...seems to be a chronic problem in historicals. King Woo raiding Lee Seonggye's house scene was more accurate in this drama than the scene in Jeong Dojeon. In Jeong Dojeon, Lee Seonggye was waiting for King Woo at his house with his military. Historically, Lee Seonggye wasn't at home but at the military base like in this drama. Lee Bangwon didn't come to save the day like in this drama though. There was nobody at home in actual history. And the brothers could become an interesting group; already we’re getting more of their invididual personalities than we’ve gotten in other series. The director stated in recent interview that this drama will focus more on Lee Bangwon's family than the past historicals. Apparently, Lee Seonggye's character in this drama was inspired by Marlon Brando's character from Godfather while Lee Bangwon's character was inspired by Al Pacino's character. My only complaint about the brothers is that they all look too old. Lee Bangwoo, the oldest brother, was 34 and Lee Banggwa, the second brother, was only 31 at the time of Wihwado Retreat. Actors for both characters are 55. Funny moment of the episode for me : When Lee Seonggye is scolding his children for drawing their swords out against each other, he asks "Do you think your brother is Japanese pirate or something?" I was like, yes, he is Wakizaka from IYSS lol
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episode 2
Dec 17, 2021 12:55:21 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by MTR on Dec 17, 2021 12:55:21 GMT -5
For some strange reason this has not appeared on Kocowa out here . Of course I had to find a more unconventional way to find them .
I prefer to watch these dramas legally on a TV screen but the networks and distributors do not make it very easy .
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Post by ajk on Dec 18, 2021 1:34:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry you guys are continuting to have Kocowa troubles...I would definitely contact them and ask them what's going on because they're losing money if they're losing viewers and they certainly don't want that. Wish I could help somehow but it's a mystery to me. You can see the character difference from Kim Youngcheol's Lee Seonggye vs Yu Donggeun's Lee Seonggye in this scene. In Jeong Dojeon, Lee Seonggye is shown to be very sad about exiling Choi Young as he admires and respects him so much. He is also sad when he discovers that there is a soup named after him to mock him. In this drama, he exiles Choi Young like it's nothing and shrugs off the soup name he heard like it's nothing. Very fitting for Kim Youngcheol who often plays cold-blooded characters(ex. Goong-ye). I was thinking about that and even deleted a comment I made about it--Kim is playing him very matter-of-factly and it seems to work well, like he's doing what he's doing because it's what needs to be done and not because it's something that revs him up personally. The guy in Jeong Dojeon did a nice job but this is good too. There's a small error in the exile scene though. A cow is shown to be taking Choi Young inside a cage, but convicts of high nobility status like Choi Young were actually exiled to their location on horses like how King Woo was shown to be exiled on this show. It isn't just this drama's error, however. Choi Young and Lee In Yim were taken to exile by a cow in 2014's Jeong Dojeon as well. Wow good eye! Did not think about that at all. Well done. King Woo raiding Lee Seonggye's house scene was more accurate in this drama than the scene in Jeong Dojeon. In Jeong Dojeon, Lee Seonggye was waiting for King Woo at his house with his military. Historically, Lee Seonggye wasn't at home but at the military base like in this drama. Lee Bangwon didn't come to save the day like in this drama though. There was nobody at home in actual history. yeah I did not recall this exact thing happening in JD. That's a concern...but we'll see if the writers keep tinkering this way, hopefully not. My only complaint about the brothers is that they all look too old. Lee Bangwoo, the oldest brother, was 34 and Lee Banggwa, the second brother, was only 31 at the time of Wihwado Retreat. Actors for both characters are 55. I'm glad you brought this up; it was going to come up eventually. Clearly they're trying extra-hard to differentiate Bangwon from the others. This casting does seem like it's going too far but we'll see. Especially when two of them started fighting and they were acting like angry young guys and it felt sort of silly, like Come on the two of you are far too mature to be behaving like this. But I guess Kim Myung Soo has become the new Kim Joo Young! Just wait long enough in any historical and you'll find him.
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Post by truth on Dec 18, 2021 10:49:41 GMT -5
yeah I did not recall this exact thing happening in JD. That's a concern...but we'll see if the writers keep tinkering this way, hopefully not. No, not a concern. The scene in this drama was more accurate than how it was done in Jeong Dojeon. I think you may have misread what I said. But I guess Kim Myung Soo has become the new Kim Joo Young! Just wait long enough in any historical and you'll find him. I'm not sure if "new" is the right word. He's been in almost every historical out there since IYSS, which means for the last 17 years. Here is his historical filmography since his appearance as Wakizaka Dramas KBS Immortal Yi Soon Shin - Wakizaka Yasuharu(2004) MBC Shin Don - Gyeong Bokheung(2005) KBS Dae Jo Young - Geom Mojam(2006) SBS King and I - Yang Seongyun (2007) KBS Kingdom of Wind - Gu Chu (2008) KBS Iron Empress - Empereror Seongjong (2009) KBS Comrade - Cheon Yongtaek (2010) KBS King Gwanggaeto - Hwang Hwae (2011) MBC Moon Embraces the Sun - Prince Uiseong (2012) KBS Bridal Mask - Murayama Yoshio (2012) MBC Empress Ki - Ki Ja-Oh (2013) KBS Jeong Dojeon - King Gongmin (2014) tvN The Three Musketeers - King Injo (2014) KBS King's Face - Kinoshita Yoshihisa (2015) KBS The Merchant - Jo Seongjun (2015) KBS Jang Youngshil - Jang Seonghwi (2016) SBS Hymn of Death - Kim Seonggyu (2018) TV Chosun Kingmaker - Choi Gyeong (2020) KBS Royal Secret Agent - Kim Myeongsae (2021) KBS Lee Bangwon - Lee Banggwa (2021) Movie Warriors of the Dawn - Kato Kiyomasa (2017)
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Post by 𝔰𝔢𝔞𝔫𝔪𝔞𝔠𝔩𝔞𝔦𝔯 on Dec 18, 2021 11:27:26 GMT -5
Oh and don't forget his cameos too, like in Master of the Mask where he played King Youngjo (the younger Kim Myeong Soo played a masked alternate universe stand-in for Sado)
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Post by sageuk on Dec 18, 2021 14:11:00 GMT -5
Kim Myungsoo played Kato Kiyomasa?
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Post by truth on Dec 18, 2021 14:15:47 GMT -5
Kim Myungsoo played Kato Kiyomasa? Yes, in the 2017 film Warriors of the Dawn
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Post by sageuk on Dec 18, 2021 20:59:35 GMT -5
Anyone notice how much larger and fancier Yi Seonggye's residence is compared to the more humble in comparison abode in JDJ?
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Post by MTR on Dec 18, 2021 22:50:38 GMT -5
Kim Myungsoo played Kato Kiyomasa? Yes, in the 2017 film Warriors of the Dawn I enjoyed Warriors Of The Dawn . Its almost a remake of Musa The Warrior only updated to the Imnijn War. Samurai replace Mongols and Gwanghae replaces the princess . Ok back to Bangwon .
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Post by mugwump on Dec 20, 2021 16:08:58 GMT -5
The two guys in the dog scene - I fear they are going to become the "comic relief" of this series.
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Post by truth on Feb 28, 2023 13:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by sageuk on Feb 28, 2023 14:22:13 GMT -5
What is it with Korean historical veterans becoming shamans? This is like the third time I’ve heard this happen.
I’m going to guess his child didn’t die in this case?
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