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Post by jewel on Oct 27, 2014 23:50:08 GMT -5
I meant to watch episode 22 tonight but didn't get the chance. Will let you know a good time for me when we get to the last episode. Can you do me a favor though? When you comment on an episode could you please mention the episode number beforehand so I'll be warned of any spoiler? It looks like you're ahead of me... thank you.
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Post by TheBo on Oct 28, 2014 10:50:21 GMT -5
....Can you do me a favor though? When you comment on an episode could you please mention the episode number beforehand so I'll be warned of any spoiler? It looks like you're ahead of me... thank you. Actually, this is good general policy, everyone, and we try to follow it here. Especially because we now have many shows where there's only has one long thread to look at. (Normally, if the show has a separate forum, we ask people to post the episode number in the title, so obviously it's not necessary there.) Bo
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Post by bird11 on Oct 28, 2014 11:35:19 GMT -5
OMG- I am sooooo sorry Fiona! I am usually really good about posting the episode in my comments first, but since you had mentioned watching the last episode together (and I thnk you have been ahead of me during this whole drama), I thought you were ready to watch the last episdoe so you had already watched ep 22-23! I was already trying to figure out when I would be able to find time to watch ep 22 and 23 so we could get to the last episode this weekend. PLEASE forgive me!
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Post by jewel on Oct 28, 2014 18:29:38 GMT -5
Not a biggie, Birdy. As far as spoilers go, yours was pretty harmless so don't worry about it. You know what it is? I'm one of those freaks when it comes to spoilers. When there's a movie I'm particularly interested in seeing, I don't even watch the trailers I'm so scared it'll give something away. I don't read reviews, or watch interviews, I don't even wanna know people's ratings of it. I do all that after I've watched the movie. With K-drama I never watch past the freeze frame at the end of every episode cuz I don't wanna see the preview of the next episode. And I NEVER read the reviews at DramaFever until way after I've seen the whole drama!! And on DVDs you know how they have some scenes from the movie on the menu page? I absolutely hate that and will squint my eyes when on menu page so I can't see clearly. With books, I barely look at the back cover in fear of spoilers. And when I get towards the end of a book (it doesn't even have to be a mystery) I read with an index card. That way I uncover one line at a time as I'm reading. My fear is that my eyes will fall on a name or something that'll give away the ending. And with actors or authors I want to know NOTHING about them until I'm done with whatever I'm watching or reading. Happy stories I don't mind but any kind of scandals I don't want to know. Or if I have to know about it I keep it at a very minimal. I'm a little nutty that way, I admit it. So, I made a short explanation very loooong!! What I'm trying to say is that it's me and not you! Episode 22: Where to begin... I have so much to say on this episode. I guess I have to talk about Jong's execution first. *sigh* Even as it was happening I just couldn't believe it. Maybe because his character was so goofy and hapless in the beginning that I didn't expect this kind of an ending for him? I really thought something was gonna happen to stop his death. But I guess a part of me knew it wasn't gonna happen cuz I was crying like a baby. It was just too sad. He was so brave and so dignified till the end. When Myeon was getting drunk and crying after Jong's death I hated him more than ever. I felt he was trying to have his cake and eat it too. He and his family got power and wealth by sticking to bloodthirsty Su Yang and now he's crying to show he's a decent person after all?? Na ah, no you DON'T (sorry Birdy), you get NO sympathy from me, you traitor, you murderer!!! You deserve to burn in hell!!! (I did think of you, Birdy, when Myeon snapped that arrow off his chest. Did you feel any ESP coming from me? I was saying to you, "Better not be swooning over him, Birdy!!!") When Se Ryeong meets up with her mother at the temple and her mother asks her "What is more important than blood ties?" I was just waiting for Se Ryeong to zing back at her, "Apparently the throne since Father killed off all his brothers, his nephew and his niece's husband." My God, I guess queens were lucky back then when they had just ONE son. Then they didn't have to worry about their sons killing each other for the throne. That Su Yang is some parent. And he always tricks me. When the queen asks if Se Ryeong can come back to be with her ailing brother he says he'd allow that. I thought ah, he can be kind and forgiving after all. Then he says they can catch Seung Yu by using his daughter as bait. I'm like yep, that's the Su Yang I know!! Wow, is all I can say. Okay. I'm very scared about the ending. Is it really gonna be like Romeo and Juliet? (Although I never found RnJ particularly tragic - two teenagers killing themselves over each other after having known each other all of like five days, when if they had lived they would've broken up after a month? Really? This is the greatest tragic love story in the English literature???) Don't anyone tell me!!!
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Post by bird11 on Oct 28, 2014 22:51:46 GMT -5
Thanks for being so understanding-- I was so angry at myself when I read your post-- I knew I should not have posted when I was tired---- Here is one way we are differnt-- I like watching the previews (I think Bo is like you and skips them) sometimes it makes it harder to wait to watch the next episode.... and many time I read posts ahead of time (like yours above) it makes me pay more attention so that I can see if I agree with the posts or if I see it from another viewpoint. Actually, when I watch a drama, I usually have pen/paper with me to write down what I want to post so I don't forget. I was going to stay up and watch ep 22, but I am dreading it sooo much.... I don't know if I should wait until the sun is up...
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Post by jewel on Oct 29, 2014 9:00:16 GMT -5
That's not bad at all. You know what my mom does when she reads a mystery novel? She reads the ending first. I swear to God. Even now I can't believe it or understand it. When she was watching "I'm Sorry, I Love You," she called me up and said, "You've got to tell me how it ends. I can't take it anymore." Of course I wouldn't tell her for the longest time, it's so goes against my every belief to do something like that. She's crazy, I tell you. I said pop in the last episode if you want to know so badly. No, she didn't actually wanna see it, she just wanted me to TELL her. I finally did but I hated doing it. She always wants me to tell her everything about the drama if I've just seen, even though she's never seen it and is planning to see it. She's nuts!
Aww, this is so cute!! I can just picture you!!
Isnt it amazing how things are more bearable in the daylight? When I watched "The Masters Sun" I couldn't watch at night, too scary. Had to watch during the day.
Okay a few more things on Episode 22: All the scenes between Princess Gyeong Hye and Jong were just so sad, I just cried through all of them. The whole situation was too much. She wanted Seung Yu to try to save him but she couldn't cuz that meant Seung Yu would surely die too. She wanted to die with her husband but she couldn't cuz she had to protect her baby. And she probably knew about her brother's death too by then. Ohmgosh, it was just too sad all around.
And Jong was just so brave. How can someone be brave like that in the face of death? But not just that, but to know that he's leaving his beloved wife behind, a wife who just started loving him after finally realizing what kind of man he is. Leaving also the unborn baby. Very, very tragic. I really hate that Su Yang!!
Question: When Princess Gyeong Hye comes to see Jong, Myeon tells her he would release Jong if she tells him whereabouts of Seung Yu. Did he really have the power to do that? By that time didn't Su Yang already order Jong's death sentence? Can Myeon overturn that order? I don't think so, right? Was he trying to trick her? If so, I hate him!! Well, I hate him anyway!!
When Seung Yu finds out Jong has already been executed and he realizes Se Ryeong had known about it, he asks her how could she have kept that information from him. But he did it in such a gentle manner, like he sorta was blaming her but not really cuz he knew she had a good reason for it. He trusted her. A few episodes back he would've ripped her head off. I'm so happy the sweet and gentle Seung Yu is back. They are both so kind and loving to each other, it makes me a little happy.
Okay. I'm ready for episode 23.
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Post by TheBo on Oct 29, 2014 11:13:51 GMT -5
....You know what it is? I'm one of those freaks when it comes to spoilers. .... I'm a little nutty that way, I admit it. So, I made a short explanation very loooong!! What I'm trying to say is that it's me and not you! .... I don't think you're nutty at all. I agree with you completely. In fact, when writing reviews or anything at all about dramas (like, for here), that is the absolute toughest part. How do you describe enough for people to know what's going on and to get interested, without giving too much of the game away? How do you describe it and not give the game away, but also not sound like you are doing that? (I usually rely on something like, "and this is not a spoiler, the viewers know it immediately" for that instance.)
It's difficult for other people, too, because we (well, not me) are used to discussing every little aspect of some show we saw the night before, or we get enthusiastic about the movie we saw or that book we read and go a little too fast for our brains to monitor us. LOL. I remember in a bookstore one day, I was discussing a book both my sister and I had read, I became heated and I shouted out how stupid the ending is, also revealing what it was. I think the guy in the mysteries aisle with us was about ready to rip my face off. I apologized of course, but really, how stupid.
Ah, reliving old memories. Please return to your extremely civil (believe me, it gladdens my Facebook-cynicyzed heart) conversation.
Bo
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Post by jewel on Oct 29, 2014 17:21:42 GMT -5
Yes this is very hard. I'm always afraid to praise a movie or a book too much in case I set anyone up for disappointment. This has happened to me numerous times. Someone will just go on and on about a movie/book and when I watch/read it, it stinks! So I always try to play it down when I can. But at the same encourage them to watch/read it!!
Ohmgosh Bo, I so can picture you!! I woulda said something to you if I had been in the aisle with you and it was a book I was planning to read. In a friendly way of course! My husband and I read together sometimes. (Which is very rare cuz we have different taste in books.) The last time was this book called Broken Harbor by Tana French (VERY good, by the way). He made sure he was always a chapter behind me cuz he was deathly afraid he would inadvertently give something away.
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Post by jewel on Oct 29, 2014 21:53:42 GMT -5
Just finished episode 23.
Not as exciting as I had expected. It felt like nothing really important happened...
Oh, Princess Gyeong Hye did have her baby. If I were her I'd have wished for a girl because with a boy wouldn't there be a chance Su Yang would want to get rid of him too, since he's the true king's grandson? Or maybe it doesn't matter since he's the princess' son rather than a prince's??... Anyway, when Se Ryeong's mom came to visit Princess Gyeong Hye and asks her to come move into the palace, I was like are you KIDDING me? What mother would bring her baby anywhere near that murderous Su Yang?? (Doesn't Mi Su sound like a girl's name though??)
When Myeon saw the baby and asked what his name was and Princess Gyeong Hye says, "I wouldn't allow that filthy mouth of yours to speak my son's name," I almost fell over with laughter. What is he trying to prove? Does he think they're meeting at some cocktail party and they can just have these cozy little chats?? Doesn't he realize in her eyes he is her husband's murderer?? Not only is he evil, he is dense!! Geez!!!!
There was this one scene where these soldiers were training at Hamgil-do while Seung Yu watched. Some guy was correcting some soldier on how to hold a sword. I thought that was so funny!! I mean if they can't hold a sword at this point, isn't it pretty much a lost cause here???
And the ending. I just did not enjoy it. So Se Ryeong is about to get her head chopped off. I honestly didn't think she was gonna get killed at this point so I wasn't TOO worried. I mean when he found out she was there and he was rushing to rescue her I figured he was gonna reach her on time. But I just didn't like the way it happened. It was so strange, the whole scene. The soldier raises his sword to behead her and suddenly another sword comes from nowhere and blocks the soldier's sword. The camera zooms out and there is Seung Yu on the rock right next to Se Ryeong. I mean he appeared from NOWHERE!! It was so ODD!! It would've been much more natural if he appeared somewhere near and yelled out to stop. Not as dramatic I understand, but it would have made much more sense.
Was a little disappointed with this episode. I guess I expected too much.
Birdy, I'll wait for you on the final episode.
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Post by bird11 on Oct 30, 2014 22:20:53 GMT -5
Finshed ep 23. I am so glad that they didn't show much of Jong's death-- my imagination made it bad enough. It is bad enough when they force someone to drink poison to die, or get you head chopped off-- but being tied to horses!?!? Crazy. I felt so sorry for the actor who played Jong, no matter what the director said about it being safe, I would not like having my arms tied and a rope around my neck. Every time they show Jong's grave site, I just picture parts of his body.... soooo sad. Loved the scene when Se Reyoung and Su Yeong exchanged rings-- beautiful. I was surprised that she wore the ring- I would think that if Myeon saw it, he would smash it to a billion pieces. Of course, Myeon did tell Se Reyoung he wasn't going to seek her heart, but that her body belongs to him. It was sad when Sung died, I thought it was meaningful that Sung saw the abdicated King when he was dying- almost like he was telling Sung, you need to die in order to try and change you father's evil ways. Su Yang keeps getting meaner and meaner-- telling Se Reyoung that she is the reason her brother died-- personally I kind of thought he died because there was no way he wanted to be a heir to his father's mess. And Su Yang blaming Myeon for the rebellion, telling him it is his fault because he can't catch Seung YU!. Su Yang is even turning on Myeon by not trusting him. I still feel sorry for Myeon-- but I think I would feel that way about almost anyone-- so much back in this time period is decided for you. I agree with you about the scene when Se Reyoung was about to be killed, there could have been so many more beleivable ways to to film this. I thought it was strange that after she was rescued. she was asking so many questions when she didnt know who had stopped her being killed. She had no idea who was next to her-- for all she knew it could have been someone else who wanted her dead or even kidnapped. OK- so when are we going to watch ep 24? I just realized yesterday my son has a concert Saturday night, so I won't be home then.... What day/time are you thinking of?
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Post by jewel on Oct 31, 2014 17:08:29 GMT -5
Happy Halloween, everyone!!
Birdy, how bout Sunday at 8pm? Let me know. We should "meet" here first though so that we know we're both on time and all that.
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Post by bird11 on Oct 31, 2014 20:30:25 GMT -5
Happy Halloween! Sunday at 8pm sounds good---we will meet here first. Excited to see how this ends.....
(I watched the 1st ep of Absolute Boyfriend today and thought it was really funny, good choice after watching The Princess's Man)
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Post by jewel on Nov 2, 2014 18:17:04 GMT -5
I meant 8pm your time, Birdy!! Hope that works better for you...
(Oh great, really looking forward to AB, tho I'm salivating over "The Joseon Gunman" still!!)
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Post by bird11 on Nov 2, 2014 19:33:25 GMT -5
I am ready and waiting---- I figured you meant 8 pm cst.....
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Post by jewel on Nov 2, 2014 20:57:27 GMT -5
Okay, I'm here. Let's start on the dot. You at 8 and me at 9. I got my blankie and a box of tissues. And then let's meet back here afterwards, okay? Hope it won't be too sad.
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