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Post by sageuk on Jul 11, 2013 11:12:47 GMT -5
Its tame compared to what I usually see
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Post by TheBo on Jul 11, 2013 11:48:21 GMT -5
Such as? I guess I'm really asking, is there a lot of torture? Do they dwell on it, or just show it briefly and then release you (the viewer)? This will influence my scheduling of watching the thing.
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Post by sageuk on Jul 11, 2013 21:15:05 GMT -5
Just the leg breaking as far as I can remember.
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Post by TheBo on Jul 25, 2013 10:09:01 GMT -5
Thanks! You are the best.
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Post by TheBo on Oct 30, 2013 11:06:44 GMT -5
Sageuk, MTR, truth, Chuck, ajk -- I mention your names because it should notify you I did so -- LOL
I see the original novel (in Korean) is listed on Amazon for (ulp) $62, used. I wonder if any of you know whether there ever was an English translation? If so, I can try to look at the library for it. I'd like to read it.
Any tips appreciated.
Oh, and thanks for posting that poem, which I assume is about Sejong. That would make sense, since the series about him in 500 Years of Joseun Dynasty was also called TWDR.
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Post by sageuk on Oct 30, 2013 15:27:50 GMT -5
None that I know of.
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Post by TheBo on Nov 22, 2013 10:24:10 GMT -5
I am enjoying this program so very much, it's funny and filled with lots of surprises. I don't know how close it hews to history, I feel like it's in Damo territory, but I'm on ep.15 and I hesitate to read this entire thread before I finish (for obvious reasons). But my point is this: I really, really wish I had someone to discuss this with. I feel like those idiots in the 90s who couldn't wait to get to work to talk about the lastest episode of 90210. Just sayin' I miss having that here for this show.
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Post by wonhwa on Nov 24, 2013 12:43:06 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this show as well. Obviously there's a good bit of historical license, but I found the writing, especially from about episode 8 to episode 20 to be outstanding. I thought it was pretty gutsy that a work of popular entertainment would build a twenty-four episode show around the potential power (and dangers) of language. I don't want to give anything away, but I was impressed by the ability of the writers and actors to make intellectual debate dramatically riveting.
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Post by TheBo on Nov 26, 2013 12:43:07 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I'm saying! I'll come back here and post during or after Thanksgiving (American if you want to check in/discuss, Wonhwa, I'm pretty busy at work right now. But thanks for responding, even if it goes no further. LOL.
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Post by TheBo on Dec 3, 2013 11:38:14 GMT -5
I am sooo disappointed in the ending to this thing. So very, very disappointed. EVERYONE dies? REALLY? I'll have to think about what I think about this. I don't know if it's a turkey or not.
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Post by sageuk on Dec 3, 2013 12:19:18 GMT -5
It doesn't help that the the "climactic" fight scene is poorly shot.
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Post by TheBo on Dec 3, 2013 12:40:33 GMT -5
It doesn't help that the the "climactic" fight scene is poorly shot. Right! That's another thing! Dang. I wish I didn't have so much work to do right now. (I did have time to rant at K-drama fashions, but that's important. LOL.)
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Post by wonhwa on Dec 4, 2013 13:13:58 GMT -5
I wasn't wild about the ending either. It felt like they wanted to throw a big Hollywood-style spectacle into the final episode and it ended up coming across as forced and a bit silly, especially given that the entire premise of the show was about how language could potentially be more powerful than violence. It didn't ruin the rest of the show for me because there was so much that I loved in the earlier episodes, but I would have preferred something more clever and less bombastic.
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Post by TheBo on Dec 4, 2013 13:28:37 GMT -5
Right! That's it, the whole show was how he (King) was going to be less violent, and how he was so crafty compared to the other guys that he and his peeps (lol) just outsmarted everyone. And at the end, to pay for this elevated state of being, everyone dies by violence. It seems vindictive almost. On the part of the writers I mean.
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Post by wonhwa on Dec 5, 2013 10:20:50 GMT -5
It felt like the writers were setting up a potentially interesting conflict between the Mongolian assassin and his handlers over the little girl, but that never seemed to go anywhere. It makes me wonder if the ending played out as initially planned, or if there was some pressure to amp it up for ratings purposes. Spoiler (I don't know how to do the spoiler tabs so I'll try changing the font color): I have read that there was pressure to eliminate all of the non-historical characters by the end of the show, but given that it's an obviously fictionalized piece, I'm not sure why that was felt to be so essential. I didn't mind that folks failed to live happily ever after, but if returning to some sort of historically accurate place was one of the goals, I'm not sure a full frontal assault on the king that just happens to be completely absent from all history books was the way to go.
On the other hand, episode 19 may be one of the most riveting episodes of k-drama I've watched, which is pretty impressive given that it's dominated by a twenty minute debate on literacy, responsibility and power.
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